05-24-2013, 05:09 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-24-2013, 07:15 AM by FireIceTalon.)
No. I read some of the various walls of text on her site, and among what was actually readable, all I saw was a vulgarization of DM that turned it from being the non-deterministic methodology that it is, into some dogmatic, inflexible mysticism to suit her own personal crusade (a crusade that doesn't even make sense to begin with). I was perplexed by her critique which was absolutely incoherent in many parts regardless, so I made a thread about it and got the information I needed, and then some. Me reading her critique is why I investigated it. I knew it was pretty odd but I had no idea of her "history" either.
Bottomline: taking the DM out of Marxism is INCOMPATIBLE - this is a cold, hard fact. Now, this isn't to say DM or even Marxism in general is ultimately right (it may or may not be, I believe it to be so, but that is beside my point), but her critique of it is unfounded, and for now, DM comes out unscathed. It isn't just a matter of the "die hard" DM's claiming to have debunked it, almost every Marxist on RL (whether they were highly interested in DM or not) thought she was a nutcase on some witch hunt whose sole purpose was to discredit DM or any Marxist that agreed with DM (which is, almost all of them) at every turn, and from reading her site and some of her posts on RevLeft, it's not hard to see why she got banned. It was to a point where she was scarring new members of the forum off with her dogmatic gibberish. Her whole rationale is based around that DM is too complex, therefore it is garbage and useless. By her logic, quantum physics, statistics, and all advanced mathematics are garbage and useless as well.
It's pretty paradoxical on her part since she claims to be a Marxist and a materialist! Far as I'm concerned, she is as anti-Marxist as any capitalist is, and to be honest, I have seen capitalist critiques of DM that are more interesting (and more logical!) to read than her crap, even if I disagree with them. Sorry man, she is discredited - and exorbitantly so. Anyway, point is if you are going to use Marxist based sources to try and refute my points, you should be a little more careful and selective in your choices, or maybe just avoid such sources altogether better yet. Just a suggestion.
Im done for real now, just wanted to point that out to ya.
all my red, dialectical best - FIT
Bottomline: taking the DM out of Marxism is INCOMPATIBLE - this is a cold, hard fact. Now, this isn't to say DM or even Marxism in general is ultimately right (it may or may not be, I believe it to be so, but that is beside my point), but her critique of it is unfounded, and for now, DM comes out unscathed. It isn't just a matter of the "die hard" DM's claiming to have debunked it, almost every Marxist on RL (whether they were highly interested in DM or not) thought she was a nutcase on some witch hunt whose sole purpose was to discredit DM or any Marxist that agreed with DM (which is, almost all of them) at every turn, and from reading her site and some of her posts on RevLeft, it's not hard to see why she got banned. It was to a point where she was scarring new members of the forum off with her dogmatic gibberish. Her whole rationale is based around that DM is too complex, therefore it is garbage and useless. By her logic, quantum physics, statistics, and all advanced mathematics are garbage and useless as well.
It's pretty paradoxical on her part since she claims to be a Marxist and a materialist! Far as I'm concerned, she is as anti-Marxist as any capitalist is, and to be honest, I have seen capitalist critiques of DM that are more interesting (and more logical!) to read than her crap, even if I disagree with them. Sorry man, she is discredited - and exorbitantly so. Anyway, point is if you are going to use Marxist based sources to try and refute my points, you should be a little more careful and selective in your choices, or maybe just avoid such sources altogether better yet. Just a suggestion.
Im done for real now, just wanted to point that out to ya.
all my red, dialectical best - FIT
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)
"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)