(05-23-2013, 05:19 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: Sorry man, but you very, very clearly do not. I'm not saying this to troll or be an ass, I'm saying it because it's the truth. Putting all sarcasm and juvenile pictures aside, I'll explain to you why in the most civil way I can.Sorry to be a buttinski here. But...
FIT: You don't understand.
Shoju: I do.
FIT: You don't.
Shoju: I do.
Then you spew out a paragraph or two of Marxist inspired rhetoric as "proof". Laced with unsubstantiated assumptions and claims.
Quote:The reason is, you view the system like most people do as it is presented to them by the mainstream. You see it as merely as a playing field for autonomous individuals to come in and make "rational" choices - and to an extent, this is true. At the individual level, it is very easy to see it this way, because that is how it presents itself. But it's only a half truth man. In the big picture, it is much more than this - it is an entire system of social relations. It doesn't exist in a vacuum or as an abstract system of random, material properties that remain stagnant over space and time. It is a system of totality, in which everything and everyone in it interact accordingly, on behalf of existing contradictions - thus all of society (everything from our behavior and thoughts, all the way to our culture and institutions) is shaped around it, as it is required to be (governed by a certain set of 'laws of motion). To view it as random, abstract entities is to miss the forest through the trees, and this leads to a incomplete and faulty understanding of the system and its processes. Thus the political and social problems in the world are not random and abstract, they symptoms of a much larger and more complex problem (the prevailing social order and its corresponding processes). The only way to truly understand the big picture of it, is to understand it by thinking and viewing it in a dialectical way. Such a way of thinking is not only important in the social sciences, but really in the biological and physical sciences as well.
Assumptions;
- you view the system like most people do (does he?)
- You see it as merely as a playing field (does he?)
- it's only a half truth man (I don't recall him ever claiming a TRUTH)
- To view it as random (assuming he does)
- are not random and abstract (did he claim they were?)
With your coup de grace; "The only way to truly understand the big picture of it, is to understand it by thinking and viewing it in a dialectical way."
My GOD!!! Why did you not reveal this in the first place. The ANSWER to all our problems is HEGELIAN inspird DIALECTAL MATERIALISM!!!!
I like to offer a quote at this point. "Hegelism is like a mental disease; you can't know what it is until you get it, and then you can't know because you have got it." -- Max Eastman
And, for Shoju, http://www.anti-dialectics.co.uk/ will tell you everything you need to know on why this mumbo jumbo is total bull excrement. A site, by the way, hosted by a Marxist.