05-16-2013, 08:34 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-16-2013, 08:40 PM by FireIceTalon.)
(05-16-2013, 08:05 PM)LennyLen Wrote:Quote:Humans cannot ever be freed from need or want (well, need for sure at least), and Marxism does not deny this and in fact even agrees with it - need is one of the central themes that is of concern in Marxian economics since this (human need, survival) is the starting point for all economic activity.
The problem of course, is that all too often, the simplest way to satisfy that need is to take what you want from other people. And if history has shown us anything, it is that human nature is very amenable to this.
In class-based societies, you are absolutely right. Especially since, when you are on the privileged side of things, you have a state that will legitimize it and it makes it all the much easier to oppress those who are subordinate to you in some way. But human nature doesn't create these circumstances so much as it is a reflection of it - it is extremely dynamic and is constantly changing as the world around us changes. As I stated in a previous post towards Shoju, someone from 300 years ago is going to have a very different thought process, behavior, outlook on life and on the world in general than someone today. History doesn't exist in a vacuum or proceed in a perfect straight line with things remaining static. It is an ever-changing process governed by particular economic laws of motion that produce a certain set of social relations unique to each epoch of history.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)
"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)