Maryland abolishes death penalty.
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It's not a troll based argument. It's a serious point.

The USSR claimed they were communist. They claimed it. No one else.
Cuba Claimed to be communist. Castro said it. No one else.
I'm not 100% sure on China. They have been labeled Communist. I've not tried to bother researching it.
Nor North Korea for that matter.

So fine, We'll get rid of China and North Korea. That leaves Cuba and USSR. they called it communism. We didn't. They said they were.

So "If there is one at all".

You mean Communism will remove the human idea to covet someone else's "stuff"? Because "Stuff" isn't just material stuff. Let's deal with the easiest to point out.

I'm married. I have a beautiful wife.
You want to sleep with my wife.
And she decides to sleep with you.
And I catch you sleeping with my wife.
And in a stupid rage, I kill you both.

What happens to me?

You are so obsessed with the idea that Communism (the "REAL" Communism) wipes out all of the materialist based inequalities in the world.

but it doesn't remove jealousy.
It doesn't remove adultery.
It doesn't remove people who will steal. My Son's mother could ask her grandparents for ANYTHING. They would give her money to go buy drugs if it meant that she would not steal from someone. She has anything and everything she could ever want. She just had to ask.
2 months ago, instead of asking them for money, she stole their 50" LCD TV out of the basement, and got high.

What do you do with Drug Dealers? Will you go Brave New World, and hand out drugs with their weekly pay?
These are serious questions. This isn't "ahistorical idealism and 'appeal to emotion' politics "

These are real questions that you seem to have a problem with. The minute that anything is questioned, you treat it as a troll type thing.

If I wanted to troll you, I wouldn't have taken such great pains to make sure that I was engaging in a real conversation. I would have said something like:

So, in your ridiculous communist Notions,
Or
So, in your batshit stupid ideology,
Or
Do you actually believe that this is even remotely sane to believe?

No. Go back and read my post.
So, in your communist dreams, what do you do with the criminals? The murderers, the Thieves, the Corrupt, The Abusers, etc...? I mean, if the justice system is part of the state, which is an organ of class dictatorship, then what would communism do?

You're the professed communist here. Not me. I'm a liberal, with some moderate, and even conservative leaning ideologies. I'm asking what you would do. No snarky shit. No rudeness. Unless you are somehow taking my "Communist dreams" statement out of context. It's a dream, since it hasn't been done, and enacted in a situation that has proved successful.

I mean, I'd point to the obvious things, and say that USSR, North Korea, China, and Cuba have "EXCELLENT" (insert air quotes and eye roll here) Track records of human rights ideologies like what you are championing, but you'll just point out that even thought they claim to be communist, they aren't "Really" communist.

I then go on to point out the places that say they were communist, and point out their shittastic humans rights records, and reference, your previous assertions that they weren't "really communist".

Unless of course, in your communism, it's all perfect, and there is no crime, and there are no thieves, and there are no broken laws.
I get a little snarky here, sure. I admit it. Because like I just pointed out, getting rid of the "Personal Private Property", and the rest of the things you detest so much, does not remove all forms of crime.

And I stand by my previous assertion, that Communism is a great theory on paper. You just won't see it ever happen the way it looks on paper. Humans have a long and storied history of not being able to live in a society that espouses the ideology. Call it Human Nature, Call it the Original Sin, whatever you want. Humans have a penchant to destroy, and be hierarchical, lord over those who they think are weaker. That's what my Bourgeois Capitalist Education taught me. And I agree. After lots of thought, I agree.

The closest we'll ever get to communism as a theory is probably socialism. Past that, and it really starts to fall apart.
nobody ever slaughtered an entire school with a smart phone and a twitter account – they have, however, toppled governments. - Jim Wright
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RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by shoju - 05-14-2013, 12:56 AM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by shoju - 05-14-2013, 01:18 PM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by eppie - 05-15-2013, 07:33 AM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by shoju - 05-15-2013, 03:23 PM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by eppie - 05-16-2013, 12:23 PM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by shoju - 05-15-2013, 06:57 PM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by shoju - 05-16-2013, 03:22 AM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by Taem - 05-16-2013, 06:15 AM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by shoju - 05-16-2013, 01:17 PM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by eppie - 05-16-2013, 01:31 PM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by shoju - 05-16-2013, 01:27 PM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by shoju - 05-16-2013, 02:49 PM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by shoju - 05-16-2013, 03:36 PM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by shoju - 05-16-2013, 05:56 PM
RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by shoju - 05-16-2013, 06:29 PM
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RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by shoju - 05-22-2013, 05:37 PM
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RE: Maryland abolishes death penalty. - by shoju - 05-23-2013, 07:28 PM
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