Just when I was thinking of selling my T-34

[kandrathe]

Some of these things are extremely harmful, and need to be banned. Would you have accepted slave owners smuggling their slaves into the North, because slaves were just dandy in the South? Some black markets should be legalized, and others need to stay black.

I agree. The issue here is our differences on "the problems of legally owned guns". A black market exists due to the abundance on one side of the border and unmet demand on the other. That was all I was pointing out.

We suck it up, if Americans aren't willing to do anything about it. I'm not sure what other choice we have. But I don't understand why we're told we have no right to complain, because apparently Canada is on a different planet from the US, and could not conceivably be affected by these policies.

I agree that you have a right to complain. We complain about your cheap lumber, and you should complain about the stuff we do that bugs you too.

We do not "prohibit" them from our population. Canadians own guns - lots of them. But we also have rules in place for how you buy them, rules that are flouted every time a gun comes across the border illegally. And, as you have already mentioned, rifles are not a major cause of gun violence. Handguns are.

Ok, prohibit was too strong. Restrict might be a better term then. I would posit that it's not the gun, so much as the criminal using it who is the cause of gun violence. These criminals tend to prefer easily concealable handguns.

...then yes, we have a right to complain about that.

Canada is also a free enterprise country with a free trade agreement with the US - unless you're of the opinion that the government should tell businesses what they can and can't sell to Americans?

It's just ironic that most of the guns that are the "source" of the issue, are not made in the US anyway. We import them from elsewhere and as they are freely exchange, a small percentage get smuggled north and a smaller percentage are used by your criminals.

You stand by the claim that, causality aside, there is no correlation between violence and the number of guns? Really? Because some, but not all, US/Canada border states have levels of violent crime about the same as Canada?

The ones that have higher crime have big cities as the source of deprivation resulting in crime. New York, New York -- Detroit, Michigan -- Chicago, Illinois -- Seattle, Washington.

Which attacks are we talking about?

PBS special - Canada has become a safe haven for terrorists