Bourgeois pigs kill suicidal 16 year old boy.
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(11-04-2012, 11:21 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: ... it is the mode of analysis and critique.
Right. Oh, so Marxism isn't an ism, it's like mathematics;

No, wait, before you said it's the "science" of hindsight; It's not philosophy, because Marx hated philosophers. Then, you go on to promote communism, which in fact HAS BEEN TRIED AND EVERYWHERE IT HAS IT BROUGHT MISERY AND DEATH.

(11-04-2012, 11:21 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: This is too easy for me Smile
It's not that it's easy, it is that you are too simple. First, as a Poli-sci guy, you seemingly have little understanding of it, so misrepresent it.

Then, you're fixated on such a narrow view that your description of every attempt at implementing this pipe dream, or even any the views of other Marxists is derisive and you declare that they weren't following the "TRUE WAY". Finally, yes, by the way you frame it, it's easy. You've diminished everything to black and white, where the right side is your seemingly personal interpretation and everything else is wrong.

When we get into the details, you refuse to defend the "Philosophy" and any facts presented -- then ignore, and insult people, or act superior and smug, the eventually we get to a the classic troll bow out...

Let's review the result the last time you tried to justify your spewage;
(10-31-2012, 12:39 AM)FireIceTalon Wrote: Well Jester, I'm going to end the discussion here mate. There are quite a few things in your last replies that I don't agree with, but I see no point to take it any farther, just because I think this debate would go on forever lol, and neither of us are going to ultimately change our views, so you get the last word. But it was a pleasure nonetheless, and it restored some of my confidence that mutual respect and civil discourse on very controversial and political topics is possible here. Cheers.

...because you cannot defend it.

Marxism smacks of religion, because through it's lens he hoped to produce a prophecy, which turned out false. Also similar was it's milennial apocalyptic, where the world would need to get really bad before it would be saved by the rejection of materialism. It's popular messiah's, Trotsky, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Chavez, Pol Potts, Mao, etc. step in and form messianic cults of personality which lend themselves toward dictatorial totalitarian regimes.

Read: Main Currents of Marxism by Leszek Kolakowski. Or, stay ignorant. It's your choice.

For example, Kolakowski says (pg. 445), "Like many other Marxists, Bloch does not trouble to substantiate his assertions but merely proclaims them. On the rare occasions when he puts forward an argument, it usually reveals his logical helplessness. For instance, he says there is no such thing as unchanging human nature, because even such ,a universal phenomenon as hunger has taken different forms in the course of history, in that people at different times have preferred different foods (Das Prinzip HojJnung, pp. 75-6). The reader who endeavours to follow his arguments generally finds that they consist of truisms and tautologies, disguised in verbiage of intolerable complexity."

A nice way of saying that if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, you baffle them with BS. This is my own personal view of what Marxists do to perpetuate their existence, invariably it is tenured at a university, which it seems is the only paid position in which they are tolerated. And then, it is as a leashed pet -- to show the liberals how tolerant we all are.
”There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio.

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RE: Bourgeois pigs kill suicidal 16 year old boy. - by kandrathe - 11-05-2012, 06:49 AM

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