11-04-2012, 10:32 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-04-2012, 10:47 PM by FireIceTalon.)
How many more global wars do we need to see the truth? How many more 10 year kids who don't want to be forced into child labor and get tasered by cops for it do we need to see the truth? How many more days must go by, each of which 30000 people die of starvation, do we need to see the truth? How many more hate crimes must occur each day to see the truth? How much more exploitation of labor than we have now must occur before we see the truth? And so on and so on.
I've heard all the arguments made by capitalists and their stockholm syndrome apologists to try and justify that their continued power and privileged existence somehow works to the benefit of all of us, and quite frankly, I haven't heard one yet to convince me of reconsidering my positions. In fact, they usually do the opposite, and only help to reaffirm them. All their arguments and solutions are complete idealism that have no relationship to the condition and objective economic laws of their system - and that is why Marxists are historically right, and you are not, I'm afraid.
You can try and compare Marxism to religion all you want, and it doesn't compute. Marxism has legitimate and observable criticisms of capitalism that can actually be observed, and have been so. Creationists, by comparison, have little to base their critique of evolution on, since the existence of God isn't something that can be tested or at least observed. Capitalism and its shortcomings CAN be observed. The reason is, one is grounded in materialism that observes objective sociological processes, the other is grounded in complete idealism that has no relevance into the objective material workings of the world.
I've heard all the arguments made by capitalists and their stockholm syndrome apologists to try and justify that their continued power and privileged existence somehow works to the benefit of all of us, and quite frankly, I haven't heard one yet to convince me of reconsidering my positions. In fact, they usually do the opposite, and only help to reaffirm them. All their arguments and solutions are complete idealism that have no relationship to the condition and objective economic laws of their system - and that is why Marxists are historically right, and you are not, I'm afraid.
You can try and compare Marxism to religion all you want, and it doesn't compute. Marxism has legitimate and observable criticisms of capitalism that can actually be observed, and have been so. Creationists, by comparison, have little to base their critique of evolution on, since the existence of God isn't something that can be tested or at least observed. Capitalism and its shortcomings CAN be observed. The reason is, one is grounded in materialism that observes objective sociological processes, the other is grounded in complete idealism that has no relevance into the objective material workings of the world.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (on capitalist laws and institutions)
"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (on capitalist laws and institutions)