Bourgeois pigs kill suicidal 16 year old boy.

[FireIceTalon]

"Would this make you hesitate to call the police?" Saltzman asked neighbor Leeanna Tucker.

"I would never call them for help now," she replied.

Moron. It is no coincidence that this fool projects the same "it's all doom and gloom attitude" that the OP has displayed.

Please wallow in your misery as you will, but don't pretend that you are justified in condemning cops as pigs. It isn't the color of your glasses, it is the problem with the blinders you have on.

That said, I concur with kandrathe's concern about the greater acceptance of overly aggressive/militant responses in some police forces. My brother in law is a cop. He's an advocate of the more frustrating, but ultimately more effective, community policing mode that his chief is integrating into the department's SOP. The Chief understands that long term trust building makes for better leads, and better law enforcement. You could compare his approach with successful COIN operations and find remarkable similarity. The "hearts and minds" thing takes more work and more patience, but it provides benefits you can't get with force.

They're all pigs. Period. Only decent cops I ever met where the ones that didn't like their jobs.

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Convenient. So, you don't have to pay attention to the difficult balance between good and bad, or how things are getting better or worse. You just have to find some things that you think are unacceptable, and then condemn the existing system.

Do you see how that logically excludes the obvious case for reform, rather than revolution?

That isn't what I was really thinking about when I typed this, but since you want to go there, yep, reform doesn't work, and it never will - not as a final solution anyway. If it did, this thread wouldn't even exist. I am pretty sure it is against the law to taser unarmed 10-year old boys who don't want to perform forced child labor, but yet it happened anyway. So much for your reform . You still seem to have little understanding of the role of the State in society, or even what it really is I'm afraid.

In short, you want to start another 'capitalism is the only way, there are no alternatives' argument, and you want to construct the argument so that it is done on capitalisms terms only, so it i will be more difficult to argue against it: you want to put reform on the table so the entire debate centers around that, in an attempt to make capitalism look irrefutable. Perhaps the Marxists around your neck of the woods fall into that trap, but unfortunately for you, I'm not one of them. If I thought reform was a legitimate and fundamentally effective way of solving the worlds problems, there would be no point in me being a Marxist, and I'd settle for Social Democracy. If you even so much as mention the word "reform" in a discussion with me, I will dismiss it as the irrelevant drivel that it is - and move on to the next point you make. Now that we have established that, think about it long and hard if you wish to proceed or not.