Religion trumping freedom
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(10-25-2012, 02:10 PM)NuurAbSaal Wrote:
(10-25-2012, 01:24 PM)eppie Wrote:
(10-25-2012, 12:38 PM)NuurAbSaal Wrote: So, thinking of a crime is a crime, basically? Maybe I'd like to violently pummel religion out of crazy people, but I don't, since it's illegal where I come from. Makes me worse than somebody who does it, because he doesn't have to fear consequences? Not following you. Someone thinking about violent acts against non-believers (which, again, you just assume ultraconservatives in the US do) is worse than actually committing these acts. Seriously?

First of all I am not advocating that this republican needs to go to jail, because indeed he didn't commit a crime.

This is all about what consequences certain action or statements have and about if you can by smart governing reduce the amount of unwanted behaviour.
exemple:::
Take the crime and poverty connection. You know that when someone grows up in a ghetto he is far more likely to become a violent criminal compared to someone who grows up in a rich suburb. Do I say that when someone from the ghetto commits a crime he should not be charged because it is not his fault? No of course I don't say that, but I do say that working on improving life quality in ghetto's will lower crime rates.
end exemple:::

So to me the actions of this indiana republican are indeed comparable to the daily behaviour of Taliban members. Especially their mental state. And that is hwy I made the remark.....if your mental state is bordering that of someone living in Afghanistan, to me that is not a positive thing. And for that reason I think I can and I want to make the comparison.
I realize that you are thinking differently about this and don't want to make that extrapolation (even though you are basically saying that all inhabitants of a large part of Afghistan are scum of the eart and all US citizens are fantastic (yes this is hugely overdone from my side but you get the point) ).


So to summarize....I do think a Taliban that abuses a women should go to jail and a US parlementarian that says rape is gods will should not BUT I am also smart enough to know that there is a huge social difference. And so speaking ethically.....I find that this guy is just as bad. I see good and bad not based on where somebody is from but in a much more personal way.

I'll try to wrap this up for us:

You think that religious nut jobs are bad news. You think that people in so called "first world" nations especially should know better, given the history of their countries and societies (gross oversimplification).

I agree.

So there. Ignoring minor issues of wording I think we can close this argument Smile.

take care
Tarabulus

Is the sky blue or pink? I guess that's a matter of perspective based on if your blue is the same blue I see why my eyes or not.

In this case, I think your missing the big picture, one I laid out in my first post and Eppie picked up on: Given enough room, THIS THINKING CAN ONLY LEAD TO ONE OUTCOME... Which naturally leads to, people like THAT shouldn't be in office in the first place. But back to "that" OUTCOME; yes if these free-religious thinkers who are "literal" bible believers (you know, how in Revelations after God returns, we are all suppose to sacrifice animals daily and shit like that; such a wonderful future... didn't you guys read your bible?) have their way, then we would have a Taliban type world. I'll reiterate from my first post: "This is obvious!" So Eppies comparison of religious nut-jobs calling themselves conservative Republicans doing god's will is no less disturbing or different then the Taliban enforcing their god's will. Same shit, different smell.
"The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which he has attained liberation from the self." -Albert Einsetin
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Religion trumping freedom - by Taem - 10-24-2012, 04:18 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by DeeBye - 10-24-2012, 05:49 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by NuurAbSaal - 10-24-2012, 06:20 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by shoju - 10-24-2012, 07:46 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by kandrathe - 10-24-2012, 08:16 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by shoju - 10-25-2012, 01:35 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by FoxBat - 10-24-2012, 10:03 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by FireIceTalon - 10-24-2012, 08:17 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by FireIceTalon - 10-24-2012, 10:21 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by eppie - 10-25-2012, 08:55 AM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by NuurAbSaal - 10-25-2012, 09:18 AM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by eppie - 10-25-2012, 12:05 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by NuurAbSaal - 10-25-2012, 12:38 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by eppie - 10-25-2012, 01:24 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by NuurAbSaal - 10-25-2012, 02:10 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by Taem - 10-25-2012, 04:15 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by kandrathe - 10-25-2012, 09:11 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by Taem - 10-25-2012, 09:53 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by eppie - 10-25-2012, 06:00 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by FireIceTalon - 10-25-2012, 03:28 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by LavCat - 10-26-2012, 01:23 AM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by FireIceTalon - 10-26-2012, 01:41 AM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by eppie - 10-26-2012, 05:44 AM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by LavCat - 10-26-2012, 06:31 AM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by kandrathe - 10-26-2012, 03:32 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by FireIceTalon - 10-29-2012, 02:15 AM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by eppie - 10-29-2012, 07:39 AM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by FireIceTalon - 10-29-2012, 08:16 AM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by Taem - 10-29-2012, 09:58 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by LochnarITB - 10-29-2012, 11:05 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by eppie - 10-31-2012, 12:57 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by kandrathe - 10-31-2012, 04:19 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by FireIceTalon - 10-31-2012, 07:58 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by DeeBye - 11-01-2012, 02:50 AM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by eppie - 11-01-2012, 05:05 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by kandrathe - 10-29-2012, 06:12 PM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by FireIceTalon - 10-31-2012, 02:50 AM
RE: Religion trumping freedom - by DeeBye - 10-31-2012, 04:48 AM

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