10-17-2012, 07:26 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-17-2012, 08:29 AM by FireIceTalon.)
Well since you insist on injecting moralism and values into this, Ill play along. All the bigotry I see nowadays is coming from the religious Right if you ask me - who deny evolution even though it is long proven as fact, who think all gays are going to burn in "hell" and continue to treat them as second class citizens because of this religious dogma, who use other religions and groups of people they view as a threat to them as scapegoats, and who view women that get abortions or use contraceptives to be murderers and that if they get raped it is their own fault. Then you got chauvinistic, Fascist scum like Todd Akin that think women have a biological mechanism that prevents pregnancy in the case of a "legit" rape". Fuck, I had no idea there was such thing as a legit or illegitimate rape, or that women couldn't get pregnant in the case of the former 
If you want to know how I REALLY feel about these people, not only should they be banned from science, but they should all go throw themselves in a fire and spare the rest of us from having to listen to their satirical filled bullshit. I have nothing but contempt for these neo-fascist, science denying, anti-intellectual, homophobic, xenophobic, racist, sexist, war-mongering, jingoist, historical revisionist, conspiracy theory loving, bible thumping Tea Baggers. Just my opinion though.
As far as getting religion out of the education system, hardly. You want to learn about religion? Take a religion or philosophy class. Keep it out of my science classes though.
I really don't see how the poetry and sculpture example presses your point home. Art and poetry are both completely subjective, and you know this. Religion is subjective also, but more importantly, what it seeks to accomplish is too. The values and the goals of what religion wants to strengthen, or even what the values should be are purely subjective. Are the values and moralism that religious doctrine wants to uphold even worth upholding? Also subjective. Science has gaps and questions that still need answering, of course, some questions will remain unanswered forever. But it is still objective, and what it attempts to make sense of is also objective. It's water and oil man.
If you want to know how I REALLY feel about these people, not only should they be banned from science, but they should all go throw themselves in a fire and spare the rest of us from having to listen to their satirical filled bullshit. I have nothing but contempt for these neo-fascist, science denying, anti-intellectual, homophobic, xenophobic, racist, sexist, war-mongering, jingoist, historical revisionist, conspiracy theory loving, bible thumping Tea Baggers. Just my opinion though.As far as getting religion out of the education system, hardly. You want to learn about religion? Take a religion or philosophy class. Keep it out of my science classes though.
I really don't see how the poetry and sculpture example presses your point home. Art and poetry are both completely subjective, and you know this. Religion is subjective also, but more importantly, what it seeks to accomplish is too. The values and the goals of what religion wants to strengthen, or even what the values should be are purely subjective. Are the values and moralism that religious doctrine wants to uphold even worth upholding? Also subjective. Science has gaps and questions that still need answering, of course, some questions will remain unanswered forever. But it is still objective, and what it attempts to make sense of is also objective. It's water and oil man.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)