10-17-2012, 03:01 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-17-2012, 06:31 AM by FireIceTalon.)
(10-17-2012, 01:58 AM)kandrathe Wrote:(10-17-2012, 12:27 AM)FireIceTalon Wrote: So because of one or two bad apples we should discontinue the scientific method as a way of understanding our world and making progress, and go back to listening to the Church or Temple and taking their word for it? I guess no one is stopping you. I refuse though.You are the one making this an all or nothing proposition. The claim is that X and Y are incompatible, regardless of the countless number of successful renowned practitioners of X & Y. In those cases, the claim is that they are brain washed by their parents and incapable of exercising their vast IQ toward extirpating that residue of fuzzy thinking from their psyche. Which, speaking as a parent, vastly overstates our ability to shape a child's psyche, and vastly understates a geniuses capability to change their minds.
The third alternative you won't consider is that these science geniuses have carefully considered the situation, and made a rational choice -- one you don't understand, but nevertheless their choice. Most importantly for a plural society is that we respect... no, we should celebrate their freedom to be both X and Y, even though some don't understand it. But, I fear you are unable to allow yourself the possibility that a smart person maybe made a choice that was right for them. Would you also try to de-program the Dalai Lama -- another obviously brain washed product of parental authoritarianism.
I don't have to make it anything - it already is an all or nothing proposition without my or anyone else's involvement. As I stated before, religion and science are not compatible with one another - the minute you inject the former into the latter, it is no longer science. Fact. It isn't a matter of being brainwashed or under/over estimating anything or anyone. It is a matter of converging an ideology (religion) into an objective Material analysis of the world, and making it a complete vulgarization of the latter that demeans it. Idealism and Materialism are diametrical opposites - you cannot combine the two. If you are a scientist, and you want to believe in a god, fine, but don't ever converge the two, cause then it is impossible to take you seriously.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)