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There are (natural) scientists who believe in god, but almost all of these have been raised in religious families. The percentage of all natural scientists who started believing in god out of their own free will is likely far below 1 %.

Being raised in a religious family really plays with your brain and no matter how intelligent you are not every person is strong enough to get rid of that.
The reason why religion keeps being strong in a always more modern society is the one mentioned above, plus the fact that birth rates are high in many religious countries.

Religion and science cannot be combined unlike what religious scientists will tell you. There is no real reason imaginable why what is written in bible, quran or any other book should be real.

I'm not trying to start something here, but I'm just curious. Are you saying that Religion is Brainwashing, and that by being raised in religion, you in fact become so, and are then not intelligent enough to decide for yourself later in life what you believe?

I mean, it sounds like you are saying that people who have belief in a higher power are less intelligent than those who don't, and surely I wouldn't want to put those words in your mouth.

And, there is a large portion of what is written in the Bible and the Quran, that is verifiable by other things. The Egyptians keeping Isrealite slaves, the reign of David, and Solomon as kings, people in the new testament are even mentioned in referenced in ancient Roman things.

While you may disagree with the "supernatural" points that the bible brings up, saying

There is no real reason imaginable why what is written in bible, quran or any other book should be real.

Is disingenuous to the facts that can be found elsewhere, and you do your argument a disservice by saying that absolutely nothing written is true.

I am not saying that people who are brought up religious are less intelligent. I am saying that religious upbringing is indeed some type of brainwashing and that even intelligent people often have many difficulties completely letting loose what they were taught as children. Religion does something special with people.

Of course many of the things in bible or quran are real....just description of what people saw during that time. (although most parts were written quite many years after they actually happened.....so if Bush can make us believe Saddam had WMDs when they invaded Iraq there is also no reason to believe that all of the 'historical facts' are true) But indeed as you say for the miracle stuff-----no reason to believe that was real.
So yes I didn't write that down correctly.