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[kandrathe]

Because his poll is infallable.

Do you want to throw mud at http://pewresearch.org/ ?? Or, are you saying that polls are inaccurate in general?

I'm questioning your tactics, as deebye pointed out, it's not over 50%.

Is 33+18 > 50? Ergo, have some religious belief. My tactic is to be factually accurate with supporting data.

Second, You are making the case that it's somehow "ok" to be against certain fields of science but not others? That, this somehow makes the view acceptable? That saying "Well, some science is ok, but this science over here? Yeah, that's not true. It's a lie, I don't want our children to be taught that."

Somehow, that makes it ok? Somehow, just saying that some science is a joke is fine....

Are you putting words in my mouth? You cited a reference to "between 40% and 50% of adults in the United States share the beliefs of young Earth creationism". Then claimed they are anti-science. 1) I've tried to show how your source is flawed, 2) drawing that conclusion from that poll (question) is tenuous, and 3) other polls refute your claims. "The partisan differences, meanwhile, are slight. About three-quarters of Democrats (74%) say scientists contribute a lot, compared with 66% of Republicans and 69% of independents. Three quarters (75%) of those who say humans have evolved– either through natural processes or guided by a supreme being – say scientists contribute a lot, compared with 63% of those who say humans have not evolved." -- http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/s...cientists/

So, from that, 63% of even those who don't believe in evolution think "scientists contribute a lot" -- which I would read as not anti-science.

Wait... I guess I'm confused on what citation you are complaining about then.

I'm pointing to the entire wiki article, and it's poor references. The poll data has been cherry picked. The article is therefore unreliable, as is the malformation of your quote based on the malformed and poor understanding of the poll data.

A whois report is a pretty terrible judge of what someone or something stands for really...

That is your opinion. When I see the root domain like that, I get suspicious.

Ok, another issue with Wiki - reference #8 - the link was changed 9/19/2012. I'm talking about the link that is no longer there, and it went to a "polling" url that was clearly political and supported a progressive pov. I found the Gallup link separately, and it's coincidently the one that is now Ref#8.

I'm saying that the numbers in that poll would suggest that 43% to 47% of americans on average hold a view that they believe the Science of Evolution is wrong, and that they oppose it.

Having a belief is not the same thing as actively opposing it. We can even be just opposed to something and do nothing about it. If we are opposed to something, and let our voting guide decisions, is this not the democratic process?

Fine, let me refine my brush for you... They oppose something rooted in SCIENCE, and want it to be REPLACED with RELIGION.

But, again, you leap from THEY (American who deny evolution) to THEY (the ones who actively oppose "many claims and theories in the fields of {long list of sciences}" -- I'm telling you that it is fallacious to draw that inference without any evidence that THEY = THEY.

How many of our 43% to 47% even know what dendrochronology is about?

For God's sake man, are you this petty about word choice with everyone? Do I really have to put Science of Evolution every time? Can you not follow a conversation and context clues? Or are you just doing it to be petty, because I said they oppose Science, and by that extension, they must oppose everything about Science.

I'm not being petty -- you are trying to over extend your claim. I'm showing you where I think you are wrong.

Yes. You did try and rationalize it.

No, I didn't. I said "So what." There are a bunch of people that believe many things that we don't believe, which is why we have local laws, and state laws. And, courts, if we believe our rights are being trampled upon. So what if there are a bunch of elected representatives who are trying to legalize mandatory hop scotch on Wednesday afternoon in Hooserville. If some unconstitutional law actually does make it into law, we have the courts to protect us. I don't live in Kentucky. I don't care what happens there. Do you live in Kentucky?

That's.... not really the same thing.

Not equal. Congruent? Is it a belief system, does it challenge others belief systems, and should we care? I don't live in Ohio either. I'll let them choose how they want to live.

NO. I said Kentucky House of Representatives, that is actively working to change things.

Ergo, the government of Kentucky. But, they haven't changed anything. http://ncse.com/news/2011/03/antievoluti...cky-006540 --- so, really, it's political smoke to rally the electorate, right. The Kentucky legislature is Democrat controlled. You cite what a cadre of the already 35% minority of Republicans are trying to do... Not. Gonna. Happen.

... because I'm critical of them, I must be lumped in with the likes of Taem and FiT? Really?

Your invective adds to the cacophony of anti-religious prejudice and over generalization of who and what they are. You are mis-characterizing and overgeneralizing in this discussion. I really think you are, and I've attempted to show you how you are doing so.

I never spoke about that in absolutes either.

You stated, after drawing a circle around 43% to 47% of the American population that "Yes. They do oppose science. " -- seems pretty absolute to me.

So I can stand back and say "You know what? I was wrong. They aren't the majority. But I would say that they are a scarily large minority".

Oh, scary? How are they scary?

You should visit more churches. The unfortunate reality, is that it is a problem in churches, where people go to "be taught". I'm not saying that it's every church. I don't know if I would say it's even a majority of churches. But I would say in heavily conservative areas (say..... the midwest "bible belt") it is a problem.

I've only attended the ones here, and where my Mom lives (formerly rural Arkansas, now in rural Texas). Up here in Minnesota, there are far more people who don't walk their talk. Down there in Arkansas and Texas, it's not just a faith/belief system -- it's cultural, and inculcated into the culture. But, they walk their talk better.