US ambassador killed over a film

[FireIceTalon]

You people are still skirting the real issue here.

What kind of people go nuts in the tens or hundreds of thousands over a movie? Any movie. It is irrelevant as to the movie being right or wrong. It is the reaction. No sane individuals would ever go crazy like this over a movie.
Of course there are always a few nuts in any group. But a few is a few. A group that is always so angry about every little perceived insult is a group of beings who do not deserve to be a part of the civilized world. And why should they? They do not exhibit the behavior of civilized people.

You guys want to compare one or two Christian nuts who bombed abortion clinics to hundreds of thousands of violent fanatics and you want to say that that is equivalent?

You want to convince yourselves that those few that were upset by this event make up for those who are going crazy right now in much higher numbers? Would that make you people feel better about your views? Yes, see they ARE a peaceful religion!!!

You people only see what you believe. You do not believe what you see.

We already established there are no such thing as peaceful religions. Just about all of them, in some form or another, have bloodshed in their history. Your precious Christianity included, and perhaps especially so.

All your statements are shallow and full of sweeping generalizations and affirmation of consequents - something tells me you do not know how to think critically about issues like these, or that you know what critical thinking is period.

It is because of the type of philosophy that YOU propagate in part as to why they hate us so much. Your thinking isn't part of the solution, it is in fact part of the problem. It isn't that we do not believe what we see, it is that you are still stuck in Plato's Cave stroking it to Sean Hannity and the rest of the Fox News pundits.

Lol, gawd your such a dick sometimes FIT. I love this place! I highlighted the part of your statement I do agree with, but let's be honest here, Ashock does have a point re: the volatile state of affairs in the middle-east. But where does his thinking lead? The only place thinking like that eventually leads is to genocide, so it's not constructive thinking. I believe he's just ranting about the issue without presenting a solution. We're obviously all on edge about it. The people/culture in the middle-east is very volatile, and nobody can dispute that, so if Ashock is arguing that the middle east is a very volatile place, then he is correct, but this is an already known fact. The real question is, what to do about it? How do we foreigners (Americans, Canadians, English, Germans, French, etc.) deal with this situation? The flash-mob also bombarded the German embassy today so, it isn't just an American problem, but a worldwide issue. Is it necessary for the U.N. to develop a special standard - biased because it profiles this group of people - when dealing with this specific culture (culture = the people and their religion, since they are so intertwined)? I don't have the answers, but theses are the types of hard-hitting questions that need to be answered before the middle-east can be dealt with. Otherwise, the whole situation is a political/religious ticking time-bomb waiting to either be diffused or blown up!

LOL, I couldn't resist with that last comment. But in all seriousness, his thinking is the very type I see all the time, and it really annoys me to no end. It's that same "lets blow them all to kingdom come and turn that place into a parking lot" mentality that many reactionaries have.

There are things about Middle Eastern culture that I deplore - in particular how they treat their women and the very strong constraints they put on their citizens personal freedom. But you know what? They can easily say the same thing about us - we are an extremely racist, homophobic, sexist, and bigoted nation also. We shun the poor and very often we victimize the victims, and we keep our citizenry dumbed down with anti-intellectualism, commodity fetishism, and a heavy-handed police state to protect plutocratic interests, much in the same way they keep their citizens ignorant through their religion and state force. They teach religion to kids there at a very young age to indoctrinate them, much like we teach our kids discipline, patriotism, and to respect authority here while they are young. In short, our culture is every bit as volatile as theirs, we are really in no position to be pointing fingers.

The culture war is a joke really, but somehow we think we can go over there, and just change thousands of years of culture over night by force - well, the hard reality is, we cannot. I don't like how they run things over there, but guess what? It isn't our job to fix it, not right now anyway. But we are over there of course to expand capital interests, and we use culture wars and clever terms like "regime change" and "democracy" to cover it up.