09-13-2012, 02:04 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-13-2012, 03:43 AM by FireIceTalon.)
(09-13-2012, 01:04 AM)Taem Wrote:(09-12-2012, 08:57 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: Not to mention it is mostly blacks, Latinos, and middle-eastern people who are racially profiled, and victims of hate crimes. Middle easterns and Latinos probably suffer the most from xenophobia.
I feel myself entering a highly agitated rant mode: I really hate it, no I loathe it, when people assume that just because a certain culture of people are incarcerated, that means most American's are racially profiling them. The honest to god truth is many immigrants and illegal Latinos from Mexico are poor, and poverty breeds crime and that's a fact! Why a good majority of blacks are still living in poverty for so long, I really have no idea. Here in California, specifically on the south coast, there is no discrimination or racism blatantly present; that's not to say there aren't a few idiots running around waving whatever banners they can think up, but you just don't see it around here! Maybe where I'm from is not a slice of the America most people are familiar with, but from what I've witnessed with my own eyes, the majority of the people doing these crimes are in fact those living at the poverty level, which happen to be Latinos no speaking much English and working agricultural jobs (and their kids living in this condition). The majority of black kids in LA dress the part of their contemporaries which happen to be rappers dressed like thugs because lets face it, when the most popular group of the type of people you associate yourself with strike a certain look, then as a young adult, you will imitate that look. This is the only reason I can think that blacks might be getting in more trouble than Caucasian, Asians, or other minority groups in the US, but to be racially profiled? Your so wrong! In LA, these individuals dressed like gang-bangers, staring down cops, hiding their hands deep in their pockets to give the impression they are hiding a gun, and even running away from cops and then they get upset when they are pulled over saying, "I wasn't doing anything, I'm being discriminated against!" I've actually seen this shit in LA! It's the real deal! If your stupid enough to dress the part of a murderer or gang-banger, then you deserve to be searched for drugs or weapons in order to protect those not wanting to cause trouble. Dressing the part for trouble only asks for trouble, and as a law-abiding citizen, I expect the police to search people who intentionally dress like criminals. You don't see business men wearing pants down to their crotch, wife-beaters, untied shoes, and teardrop tattoos strutting down the street looking like they are doing a freaking limbo with their hand held in their pocket holding something and running from police... And to be fair, when Caucasians and Asians dress this way, they also get checked. It just so happens from what I've seen with my own eyes in LA, certain types of people really do dress the part, and it's not about no racial profiling, but protecting law-abiding citizens from CRIMINALS!!! What don't you get?
EDIT: So you want to talk about racial profiling for Native Americans (i.e. Indians not from India) or Arabic/Islamic people? My rant does not go there sorry. I've never had any experience with either culture other than the people I've met, and there's good and bad people. I just don't see this "racial profiling" thing happening, at least not here where I'm from, sorry. I really don't.
Uff. I almost threw up my dinner reading this post. I'm not even sure where to begin. Almost everything presented here is based on meaningless anecdotes that fester with loaded fallacies (especially the appeal-to-authority types), stereotypes, preconceived notions, and just gobs of plain inaccuracies. Really, this post stinks of white patriarchism, and is a good example of why I hate America and its crummy values. Overall, a pretty offensive, misinformed, miserable, and downright nauseating post to read - not even sure why I am meriting a response to it.
I didn't know criminals dress a certain way, or that one had to dress a certain way to be a criminal. Or even that ones character is defined at all, by how they dress. This is news to me. Second, just because someone is wearing baggy clothes isn't a justification for harassment by any authority. So people who dress in baggy clothes are all potentially criminals and subject to inspection? Really? This is the same "blame the victim" mentality, sociological ignorance and cultural psychosis that runs rampant in this country, like when people say a woman who is dressed scantly must be a prostitute, or if she is sexually harassed or raped she "had it coming" because of how she dresses. Let me ask you something, are you the type of person where you cross over to the other side of the street if you see a black man walking toward you on the same side as you are? Racial profiling doesn't result in discrimination, but rather because of it.
The truth is, the real criminals are the ones in the suits legitimized by the state - essentially a legalized mafia - but hey, there is nothing wrong with white-collar, corporate crime, right? That is why we racial profile anyone who is dark skinned with brown eyes and dark hair, but not one Wall Street crony is in prison after the shit they pulled 4 years ago.
I can think of a better reason why minorities get into more trouble than whites: Because Amerikkka is the same racist, patriarchal, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic "PILE OF SHIT ON THE HILL nation" that it was in 1776. Fact. The dress code thing is just an excuse for pigs to pathetically justify their racist ways, and wave their guns and badges around. It is YOU, who is in fact wrong, and history is proof of that. Also, I myself am FROM Los Angeles, lived there for virtually all 34 years of my life, and I definitely saw this type of shit go down - even if Los Angeles isn't as racist as say, Texas. You deny racial profiling which occurs in this country on a daily basis but doesn't make the news, what are you going to deny next? Evolution? That the Holocaust never happened? The moon landing? It isn't about protecting law-abiding citizens, it's about abusing legitimized power to control and exploit groups of people that are viewed as "different". Cops need to add the words "the Bourgeois" after the "To Protect and Serve" slogan on their cars. You say poverty breeds crime....what breeds poverty? I'll tell you. A little word called Capitalism.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)