Diablo 3 is fundamentally broken

[Archon_Wing]

Well, I basically didn't play D2 Classic--

This would make quite a difference in what you remember. You saw a game that had been out a year or more already and had the worst stuff fixed. Things that were quite as broken as some things are now, if not more.

D3 is a new game. It's only been out a month as of yesterday, but people are talking like it should have been all patched up and all errors out of it already. Didn't happen in D2, and won't happen here. Doesn't matter how long it's been in development, doesn't matter if they had used 100K beta testers to test all the way through Inferno. No amount of QA or beta can predict the things multiple millions of players will do, and, I submit that a lot of the exploits for gold and experience might not have surfaced in beta anyway, because it wasn't 'for real' then.

Oy, I know that is true, but I also said something that you sorta left out. Which is a bit annoying, but we'll get to that in a moment.

Was Diablo 2 a good game at release? Answers may vary. Except why are we comparing it to that? Shouldn't we compare it to where the franchise left off and not go back to square one to reinvent the wheel?

So I'm not here to glorify d2 at all. I just expect higher standards than a 1999 game.

So I made a certain point. First, we should not pretend that D2X doesn't exist and compare d3 to d2 vanilla. We should hone our expectations on D2x and start from there.

I am not going after Blizzard for having bugs. That is fair and expected. What I am against are gameplay concepts that I feel are just conceptually wrong and should be common sense to anyone that's played the series.

Yes, I know there are issues with the DH class especially, and with Inferno. I still think Inferno was made too hard on purpose, and they'll tune it to how people are playing, rather than risk 'too easy' out of the gate again. The tuning is on the way, and class stuff is in the first 1.x.0 patch. It's coming.

No complaints there either. Balance is something that I know is impossible to achieve at this point. I know this takes time. Inferno being too hard is kind of a slight, but as you might note, my previous complaints have to deal with the very concepts of what I perceive as fake difficulty that goes beyond giving monsters overly boosted stats.

I also promised to never bring up much about the cheating and the botting as I know that it is out of their hands and they need to put more effort into dealing with it. That's fine. Balance and outside exploits are outside of their control. But some things were in their control and that's where I am bopping them on the head with.

I've been reading up on a lot about D3, and trying all kinds of skills and builds in an attempt to eliminate the "l2p" factor. That doesn't mean I'm good at the game, but as you might have seen in the Melee failure thread, I was the one saying that one shouldn't judge so quickly.

Of course, I love that if I criticize you at all, you tell me I'm pulling up a strawman, but, you can say that D3 is horribly broken and you're not doing that at all. <shrug>

Actually, I wouldn't be regardless of how wrong I am. A strawman is... *summons wiki*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman

A straw man is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.

If I say "D3 is broken" (which I didn't, I just said parts of the game is broken), I post with the knowledge that this is merely part of the mad ravings of a 28 year old with too much time on these hands. Unlike the battle.net forums or sometimes teamliquid.net, I live with the realization that it is merely an opinion that pertains exclusively as me. Yes, I tend to use loads of hyperbole, but I can only speak for myself and haven't really tried to put words in other people's mouths, so it's fine if you want to criticize me, but I feel like you haven't been representing the opposition's arguments very fairly. The last response from you, for example, I just felt cut out a large part of my post.

So it's fine if you think I'm wrong. It's boring if we all agree. But I'd just like to be given credit for being wrong, when it's deserved. When Viralspiral denied my claim that stair/waypoint traps were not common in d2, that was part of a discussion. I claimed something, and he refuted it, and then I realized that I just might be wrong. And yea, I'm wrong a lot, ya know. But meaningful ideas were exchanged, creating something known as a discussion.

But when you posted, it seems that you just had an opinion about other people's opinions. And that just doesn't lead to fruitful discussion, me thinks.

Anyhow, it's nice you enjoy Diablo 3. I do too.