07-17-2003, 02:49 AM
I disagree with Rataxes and agree with Cryptic.
My memories of D2C are as follows:
1) Enter exp game with bow bug ridden Amazon.
2) Watch as Barbarians sometimes 30 levels lower than me sped through the game WWing the monsters I'd spent the past 5 minutes trying to kill in a couple of seconds, thus stealing my kills, exp, items, etc.
3) Become frustrated as aforementioned barbs cleared all areas of Act 4 before I could even approach a second mob of monsters.
4) Rinse and repeat.
This isn't even counting the severely irritating trend of Barbarians inparticular hostiling everyone upon entering the game and staking claim to all areas and screw everyone else. Needless to say, I developed a hatred for that class like none other.
Rataxes, what you propose seems to me to be advocating cookie cutter builds, bug exploitation, and 'classism'. Your feeling seems to be that only the strong survive, but with the imbalances in classes and skills that have always existed since day one you're limiting Hell to an extremely small number of mostly the same classes with the same builds using the same equipment. Boring. Sure, you could argue some of that exists now, but at least I see every class in Hell now. In D2C all I ever saw were WW barbs until MS zons started to become popular.
As hinted, it would also deter variant builds from progressing very far. I mean, why bother if you're an uber killing machine all on your own?
I personally don't care for hostile playing environments. I don't want to go into a game and be threatened not to play in certain areas nor do I wish to be prepared to have to defend myself from some selfish and greedy arse who wants to hog an entire act while taking advantage of everyone else in the game. I'm having difficulty not seeing this as a reward for poor behavior.
However, on the flip side I do not agree with being forced to party play which, contrary to your theory of things returning to D2C style, I see happening in 1.10. I also have a problem with the reversal in LoD. In LoD the trend became hostiling anyone who didn't party with you, which I find equally as lame.
I enjoy playing in parties and I also enjoy soloing. I resent being forced to do one or the other.
My memories of D2C are as follows:
1) Enter exp game with bow bug ridden Amazon.
2) Watch as Barbarians sometimes 30 levels lower than me sped through the game WWing the monsters I'd spent the past 5 minutes trying to kill in a couple of seconds, thus stealing my kills, exp, items, etc.
3) Become frustrated as aforementioned barbs cleared all areas of Act 4 before I could even approach a second mob of monsters.
4) Rinse and repeat.
This isn't even counting the severely irritating trend of Barbarians inparticular hostiling everyone upon entering the game and staking claim to all areas and screw everyone else. Needless to say, I developed a hatred for that class like none other.
Rataxes, what you propose seems to me to be advocating cookie cutter builds, bug exploitation, and 'classism'. Your feeling seems to be that only the strong survive, but with the imbalances in classes and skills that have always existed since day one you're limiting Hell to an extremely small number of mostly the same classes with the same builds using the same equipment. Boring. Sure, you could argue some of that exists now, but at least I see every class in Hell now. In D2C all I ever saw were WW barbs until MS zons started to become popular.
As hinted, it would also deter variant builds from progressing very far. I mean, why bother if you're an uber killing machine all on your own?
I personally don't care for hostile playing environments. I don't want to go into a game and be threatened not to play in certain areas nor do I wish to be prepared to have to defend myself from some selfish and greedy arse who wants to hog an entire act while taking advantage of everyone else in the game. I'm having difficulty not seeing this as a reward for poor behavior.
However, on the flip side I do not agree with being forced to party play which, contrary to your theory of things returning to D2C style, I see happening in 1.10. I also have a problem with the reversal in LoD. In LoD the trend became hostiling anyone who didn't party with you, which I find equally as lame.
I enjoy playing in parties and I also enjoy soloing. I resent being forced to do one or the other.