"Innocent until proven guilty." Interesting concept.
I'll try to condense this as much as I can. This applies to PA only.
There are currently three methods of proving speed acceptable in PA.
1. Pacing you for 3/10 of a mile. They can pull you over for any amount.
2. Electronic device (ex. - radar). They can't nail you until you are at least 6 miles over the limit. These devices are limited to state troopers.
3. Manual device (ex. - timer). They can't nail you until you are at least 10 miles over the limit.
PA supreme court has ruled that officers can't use 'estimates' or 'opinions' of speed to pursue/initiate a stop.
PA legislature repeatedly refuses to grant the police use of rolling radar and speed cameras.
Police may NOT pursue/initiate a stop for speeding unless one of these three methods was used, and the criteria met. All equipment must be tested and recertified at specific intervals.
They are required to inform you of the whats, whys and hows. If you get a speeding ticket, it will tell you how you were timed, where you were timed, when you were timed, what speed you were timed at, and when the equipment was last certified.
They are NOT allowed to pull you over without probable cause. In the case of speeding, concrete proof of speeding is the only way to give them probable cause. If that section of the ticket is blank, it's because they didn't time you. If they didn't time you, they have no probable cause and by law CANNOT pull you over. If they pull you over anyway, they are knowingly breaking the law. They can't write a speeding ticket based on evidence that came from where the sun don't shine.
If they catch me fair and square, I'll plead guilty. If they want make it up as they go, Ima fightin it.
Kandrathe - A cop fabricates probable cause, tramples my rights, and I'm the burden? And here I thought I was entitled to due process.
ShadowHM - I hope you realize this is for sake of argument. I have a CDL and have used it to provide for myself. I keep my nose as clean as I can because I don't want to jeopardize my CDL.
sidenote - There has been a seemingly endless parade in my area of cops being caught doing horrible crimes. One wonders how many of those downward spirals started with fudging tickets.
I'll try to condense this as much as I can. This applies to PA only.
There are currently three methods of proving speed acceptable in PA.
1. Pacing you for 3/10 of a mile. They can pull you over for any amount.
2. Electronic device (ex. - radar). They can't nail you until you are at least 6 miles over the limit. These devices are limited to state troopers.
3. Manual device (ex. - timer). They can't nail you until you are at least 10 miles over the limit.
PA supreme court has ruled that officers can't use 'estimates' or 'opinions' of speed to pursue/initiate a stop.
PA legislature repeatedly refuses to grant the police use of rolling radar and speed cameras.
Police may NOT pursue/initiate a stop for speeding unless one of these three methods was used, and the criteria met. All equipment must be tested and recertified at specific intervals.
They are required to inform you of the whats, whys and hows. If you get a speeding ticket, it will tell you how you were timed, where you were timed, when you were timed, what speed you were timed at, and when the equipment was last certified.
They are NOT allowed to pull you over without probable cause. In the case of speeding, concrete proof of speeding is the only way to give them probable cause. If that section of the ticket is blank, it's because they didn't time you. If they didn't time you, they have no probable cause and by law CANNOT pull you over. If they pull you over anyway, they are knowingly breaking the law. They can't write a speeding ticket based on evidence that came from where the sun don't shine.
If they catch me fair and square, I'll plead guilty. If they want make it up as they go, Ima fightin it.
Kandrathe - A cop fabricates probable cause, tramples my rights, and I'm the burden? And here I thought I was entitled to due process.
ShadowHM - I hope you realize this is for sake of argument. I have a CDL and have used it to provide for myself. I keep my nose as clean as I can because I don't want to jeopardize my CDL.
sidenote - There has been a seemingly endless parade in my area of cops being caught doing horrible crimes. One wonders how many of those downward spirals started with fudging tickets.
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"The truth is always greater that the words we use to describe it."
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"I believe in karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it."-Dogbert
"The truth is always greater that the words we use to describe it."