Unemployment, and so on

[FireIceTalon]

If I happen to get into a political discussion with someone, I will explain to them the grounds of my views and resources where they can get further information if they wish to understand them more.

Well, not really. Here, at the Lounge, what comes across is that your ideas are the correct ideas, and anyone who doesn't agree with you is a hateful, ignorant, racist, jingoist, money grubbing, gay bashing, gutter talking, fundamentalist, sexist, etc, etc, etc...

Most people find that to be off putting. And... As Jester suggested, for someone dedicated to "democracy" and tearing down social barriers, you have erected a pretty large set of ideological walls yourself.

Wait, are you telling me that in this mob of millions of people, at least a handful are... hypocrites?

Yes. Well, I guess for me, it was more that they were mostly the organized leadership of that local movement. It's the irony of the movement arguing whether they should get Hagen Daz, or Ben and Jerry's ice cream. I get the message, but sometimes I can't help but see a bunch of relatively well off spoiled brats with too much time on their hands.

LMAO. I have to admit, you are clever. But trying to turn my own arguments against me completely flies in the face of the self-evidence that is grounded in reality. Again, I'm not saying all right-wingers fit that description (all Fascists certainly do though), but all those things DO come from the right-wing/reactionaries perspective, not from Socialists, who view people as being people and nothing more or less. How anyone can deny something so obvious is beyond any logical reasoning. And why avoid addressing my Newt Gingrich example? Because it is the perfect example that proves my point correct, that his egocentric rhetoric is par for the course for the majority of the Republican Party today? I don't have any ideological walls, I just call things as I see from constant observation. I don't have to say that reactionaries are racist, sexist, and jingoist to be honest....they themselves make those points loud and clear everyday WITHOUT me having to point it out. I will quote Napoleon (I think it was him) here and say "Never interfere with an opponent while he’s in the process of destroying himself".

As for my views being correct or incorrect, that is a separate (and more subjective) issue that comes down to our values and how we see the world. My side views all social divisions, be it racial, gender, national, sexual orientation, or any other social construct, as well as MATERIAL divisions (class) to be wrong and unjust. MUCH of the right-wing - not all of it - is often tolerable of these divisions and inequalities, and in many cases even supportive of them (Tea Party/Fascists especially, but most of the Republican Party of today manifests these ideas - to at least some extent). Whether either side is right or wrong all comes down to perspective, otherwise such a political dichotomy wouldn't exist to begin with. But you cannot deny that these are the positions and tendencies held respectively; claiming otherwise is being intellectually dishonest, straight up. If my observations offend people, sorry, but the truth evidently hurts. Besides, I haven't really referred to anyone here in particular, just the far right wing in general outside of cyberspace or otherwise. People here at the lounge may or may not fit the descriptions i've posted before. Dont know, or really care.