11-21-2011, 07:37 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-21-2011, 08:37 AM by FireIceTalon.)
Sure, non-Marxists can be free thinkers. But whether they can or cannot be was hardly my point. I was speaking for myself, in that I don't easily buy into the mainstream norms of our society as many people, willingly or otherwise, do. I am all for Democracy, but not when it promotes hatred of another group of individuals because they are of a different ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
Yes, I do believe a 'substantial' amount of Americans are very jingoist, racist, sexist, apathetic, and so forth. Many of them don't even realize they are. That is what this country was built on, just ask the Indians. Other day I over heard some guy at Starbucks saying how all the immigrants are stealing our jobs. That is a totally reactionary type comment, and typical of the xenophobia that runs rampant in the nation. And it is my personal belief that no, you wouldnt see these kinds of things in a Communist society (not state, as Communism can only exist globally), or at least much less of it. There is a reason us Commies hate the far right so much, because most of the reactionary bigotry and egocentric/patriarch rhetoric that we see comes from them. Why do you think most Socialists in general, are so anti-religious and anti-nationalist? Because these are social constructs that divide people, create conflict, and imply that some how someone of a particular ethnicity, country or religion is different or even superior to that of another. Which they are NOT, though many of them like to think they are. Sorry to say, but this is all I pretty much see coming from the Republican party, and most other right wing factions in general, be they Tea Partiers, traditional conservatives, fundamentalists, Nazi Fascists (which are the worst scum of this earth, and shouldn't be allowed 1st, or 2nd, Amendment Rights IMO), or other reactionary types. You dont see elements of racism, sexism and such coming from anyone who is on the far left (and I dont mean the lame reformist Democrats, but I mean the far left like myself, who want fundamental change and not just silly, ineffective reforms that still keep the status quo intact), at least I never do. And any Commie making a comment like that guy in Starbucks might want to rethink who he really is, because such comments are reactionary and go against everything any self-respecting Marxist stands for. Not saying all right wingers are this way, I know a few personally who arent, but most of the people that act like this, ARE right wingers. Sorry man, but tis true.
"People love people, and give them regard. Our systems just reflect ways in which we attempt to be both fair and compassionate". Or, as a capitalist system reflects, the ruling class loves the proletariat, because they have an unlimited supply of wage slaves at their beck and call to exploit and maximize profits off of. There is nothing fair or campassionate about capitalism. It is barbarism, and it is the most evil, devisive and inhumane system possibly ever contrived, because it conditions people to be ruthless, greedy and apathetic in the continuous search for profits. And not just the wealthy oppressing the working class, but it creates conflict and exploitation in same class dynamics too (wealthy vs wealthy, working class vs working class). Now, in a Socialist system, people WOULD love people, because the divisions between class, race, gender, and nationality would cease to exist. *sings the Depeche Mode song, People are People*
I won't change your mind, but those are my views, and what I see day to day. Maybe I'm being super judgemental, but I cant help but think "reactionary douche bag" when I hear someone complaining about immigration, or calling a woman a c*nt, "let the uninsured die", or "we need to just nuke all those crazy Muslims".....you don't hear that type of shit coming from Socialists, only from reactionaries. Anyway, Ill stop there.
PS. If you truly find that meaning I posted of what it means to be Marxist as strange, than that truly shows you do have a misconception of what Marxism and Marxists are about. May I suggest you take a peak here? www.revleft.com
Yes, I do believe a 'substantial' amount of Americans are very jingoist, racist, sexist, apathetic, and so forth. Many of them don't even realize they are. That is what this country was built on, just ask the Indians. Other day I over heard some guy at Starbucks saying how all the immigrants are stealing our jobs. That is a totally reactionary type comment, and typical of the xenophobia that runs rampant in the nation. And it is my personal belief that no, you wouldnt see these kinds of things in a Communist society (not state, as Communism can only exist globally), or at least much less of it. There is a reason us Commies hate the far right so much, because most of the reactionary bigotry and egocentric/patriarch rhetoric that we see comes from them. Why do you think most Socialists in general, are so anti-religious and anti-nationalist? Because these are social constructs that divide people, create conflict, and imply that some how someone of a particular ethnicity, country or religion is different or even superior to that of another. Which they are NOT, though many of them like to think they are. Sorry to say, but this is all I pretty much see coming from the Republican party, and most other right wing factions in general, be they Tea Partiers, traditional conservatives, fundamentalists, Nazi Fascists (which are the worst scum of this earth, and shouldn't be allowed 1st, or 2nd, Amendment Rights IMO), or other reactionary types. You dont see elements of racism, sexism and such coming from anyone who is on the far left (and I dont mean the lame reformist Democrats, but I mean the far left like myself, who want fundamental change and not just silly, ineffective reforms that still keep the status quo intact), at least I never do. And any Commie making a comment like that guy in Starbucks might want to rethink who he really is, because such comments are reactionary and go against everything any self-respecting Marxist stands for. Not saying all right wingers are this way, I know a few personally who arent, but most of the people that act like this, ARE right wingers. Sorry man, but tis true.
"People love people, and give them regard. Our systems just reflect ways in which we attempt to be both fair and compassionate". Or, as a capitalist system reflects, the ruling class loves the proletariat, because they have an unlimited supply of wage slaves at their beck and call to exploit and maximize profits off of. There is nothing fair or campassionate about capitalism. It is barbarism, and it is the most evil, devisive and inhumane system possibly ever contrived, because it conditions people to be ruthless, greedy and apathetic in the continuous search for profits. And not just the wealthy oppressing the working class, but it creates conflict and exploitation in same class dynamics too (wealthy vs wealthy, working class vs working class). Now, in a Socialist system, people WOULD love people, because the divisions between class, race, gender, and nationality would cease to exist. *sings the Depeche Mode song, People are People*
I won't change your mind, but those are my views, and what I see day to day. Maybe I'm being super judgemental, but I cant help but think "reactionary douche bag" when I hear someone complaining about immigration, or calling a woman a c*nt, "let the uninsured die", or "we need to just nuke all those crazy Muslims".....you don't hear that type of shit coming from Socialists, only from reactionaries. Anyway, Ill stop there.
PS. If you truly find that meaning I posted of what it means to be Marxist as strange, than that truly shows you do have a misconception of what Marxism and Marxists are about. May I suggest you take a peak here? www.revleft.com
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)
"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)