11-08-2011, 06:32 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-08-2011, 08:44 PM by FireIceTalon.)
France isn't perfect (especially right now). But nevertheless, as Thomas Jefferson said, "When the government fears the people, there is democracy. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." --A beautiful quote, and one I happen to agree with.
I'm a strong advocate that power should rest and be shared with the common man, not a vanguard party (which would be the view of someone who subscribes to the Marxist-Leninist branch) that could lead to cure being more destructive than the disease itself. It is my opinion that anyone who is in a revolution for the chance at having a power grab to satisfy their own interests, is against the interest of the revolution itself, and therefore has no business being a part of it. Lenin was a brilliant individual. But I do not agree with his methodology or his view that self-determination belongs to the state. Plus, it allowed opportunists like Stalin to take advantage of the circumstances. So far, pretty much all of the Marxist revolutions have been from the authoritarian leftist side of things, which is unfortunate. The orthodox Marxists, anarchists, and libertarian socialist revolutionaries never really got a fair shake
I just tried searching for the source of that quote. A lot of sites have Marx as saying it but none of them say the primary source where he said it. Unless he said it in person and not in one of his works. I may have to read the Manifesto again, I can't recall if it was said there.
I'm a strong advocate that power should rest and be shared with the common man, not a vanguard party (which would be the view of someone who subscribes to the Marxist-Leninist branch) that could lead to cure being more destructive than the disease itself. It is my opinion that anyone who is in a revolution for the chance at having a power grab to satisfy their own interests, is against the interest of the revolution itself, and therefore has no business being a part of it. Lenin was a brilliant individual. But I do not agree with his methodology or his view that self-determination belongs to the state. Plus, it allowed opportunists like Stalin to take advantage of the circumstances. So far, pretty much all of the Marxist revolutions have been from the authoritarian leftist side of things, which is unfortunate. The orthodox Marxists, anarchists, and libertarian socialist revolutionaries never really got a fair shake
I just tried searching for the source of that quote. A lot of sites have Marx as saying it but none of them say the primary source where he said it. Unless he said it in person and not in one of his works. I may have to read the Manifesto again, I can't recall if it was said there.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)
"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)