11-08-2011, 11:19 AM
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191202' dateline='1320746784']I'm not sure it's a left-right thing.
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Yes you are right. What I meant to say is you can move more towards a stronger government.
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191202' dateline='1320746784']
Nothing is free. Somebody pays.
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Yes of course. But in our society people (voters) realize it benefits all to make education as low hurdle as possible. The more people with a higher education the better.
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191202' dateline='1320746784']Even an ivy league education is much more accessible than it was a few decades ago. Nobody pays the sticker price on college anymore, most are discounted by 30 to 50%, or more. [quote]
Yes but for most people 40k dollars per year is just as out of reach as 20k dollars per year.
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191202' dateline='1320746784']
The better your secondary school/grades and SAT/ACT scores, the better financial aid package you will be offered. If it is how you think, how did Obama get into and through Harvard?
A poor guy growing up in some ghetto with good grades may grow up to be a middle manager, and then afford to send his children to top line college. Which is again, the American dream. My kids will do better than I could, and I'll help boost them up higher than I was able to get.
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These ar just examples of some individuals. They are correct but still don't prove anything. I agree it is possible for anyone to do this.....but the chances are completely different.
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191202' dateline='1320746784']
The tricky part there is "becoming whatever they want ", because currently we have a whole bunch of educated career seekers who are not finding that they can become whatever they want.
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Of course but that is not what we are discussing.
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191202' dateline='1320746784']
I think you are letting your anecdotes influence your perception of reality. Beverly Hills is an exception,
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I didn't know the names of other rich neighboorhouds.
But yes of course I agree you need to work for your living. An that it is fair that someone who is lazy doesn't get the same wealth as someone who is working hard. I have never stated I don't.
But people should realize how they are able to make huge sums of money. Namely because society is structured the way it is.
If golf wasn't so popular Tiger Woods wouldn't be a multimiljonair. If the laws weren't the way they are someone would not be able to make 10s of millions of bonus a year just because he is very good in trading immaginary things at an investors bank. And not being affected at all when it turns out that the bank had gambled way wrong after which the government pays off all the debts ith tax payers money.
I am not against people making lots of money but they should keep seeing things in perspective.
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Yes you are right. What I meant to say is you can move more towards a stronger government.
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191202' dateline='1320746784']
Nothing is free. Somebody pays.
[quote]
Yes of course. But in our society people (voters) realize it benefits all to make education as low hurdle as possible. The more people with a higher education the better.
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191202' dateline='1320746784']Even an ivy league education is much more accessible than it was a few decades ago. Nobody pays the sticker price on college anymore, most are discounted by 30 to 50%, or more. [quote]
Yes but for most people 40k dollars per year is just as out of reach as 20k dollars per year.
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191202' dateline='1320746784']
The better your secondary school/grades and SAT/ACT scores, the better financial aid package you will be offered. If it is how you think, how did Obama get into and through Harvard?
A poor guy growing up in some ghetto with good grades may grow up to be a middle manager, and then afford to send his children to top line college. Which is again, the American dream. My kids will do better than I could, and I'll help boost them up higher than I was able to get.
[quote]
These ar just examples of some individuals. They are correct but still don't prove anything. I agree it is possible for anyone to do this.....but the chances are completely different.
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191202' dateline='1320746784']
The tricky part there is "becoming whatever they want ", because currently we have a whole bunch of educated career seekers who are not finding that they can become whatever they want.
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Of course but that is not what we are discussing.
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191202' dateline='1320746784']
I think you are letting your anecdotes influence your perception of reality. Beverly Hills is an exception,
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I didn't know the names of other rich neighboorhouds.
But yes of course I agree you need to work for your living. An that it is fair that someone who is lazy doesn't get the same wealth as someone who is working hard. I have never stated I don't.
But people should realize how they are able to make huge sums of money. Namely because society is structured the way it is.
If golf wasn't so popular Tiger Woods wouldn't be a multimiljonair. If the laws weren't the way they are someone would not be able to make 10s of millions of bonus a year just because he is very good in trading immaginary things at an investors bank. And not being affected at all when it turns out that the bank had gambled way wrong after which the government pays off all the debts ith tax payers money.
I am not against people making lots of money but they should keep seeing things in perspective.