This is why Westboro Baptist Church is a joke

[kandrathe]

Again, these things are not symmetrical. Saying a process requires a designer is making a very strong claim. Saying a process does not require a designer is making a very weak claim. What is necessary for biology class to teach is that evolution is a process that functions without guidance. It need not be specific about exactly what kinds of guidance are unnecessary - the list is infinite. If that contradicts someone's belief in God's hand in evolution, or any other religious doctrine, tough beans. Nobody is being taught that there is definitely no god - only that god (or any other outside agent, of any kind: aliens, faeries, Xenu, The Force, whatever) is not necessary to explain these phenomena scientifically.

I have no problem with biologists explaining what IS happening, e.g. mutations, natural selection, fossil evidence, plate tectonics, geologic record, ice cores, etc. Why do they need to state that there is no other force? They don't believe another force is involved, but they really have no way of knowing what occurs in the "spiritual realm".

The free exercise clause does not defend religion from science! People are allowed to practice their religion freely. That's it. If your religion tells you that verbs are nouns, your English teacher still gets to correct you. If your religion tells you that two plus two is five, your math teacher still gets to mark you down. These things are not unconstitutional - and neither is teaching that evolution does not require direction.

In defense of Establishment, you seek equal protection for non-religious people from public officials talking about anything of faith. But, when the same public officials talk about faith being unnecessary, you don't defend that same spirit of Establishment.

But so far, we're not even at step one, and if God is what you say, an ineffable force always within concepts and processes, we're probably never going to get there.

Well, more importantly, I believe that God is incomprehensible.

As for cosmology... Well, no one is running around with trumpets announcing the numerous failures of the Big Bang theory, and the many holes we've proven(with science) to be untrue about it. In order to support it, "scientists" invent unseen, unproven processes such as baryogenesis, to fill in the gaps. We are supposed to take it on faith that the universe is filled with dark matter, and things are moved by an unknown. unmeasured force called dark energy. Doesn't this seem a little more mystical than science?