This is why Westboro Baptist Church is a joke

[kandrathe]

Well, it is a fact that countries with more social societies (better social security system) have overall higher living standards and much lower amount of people below the poverty line.

Not a fact. Cuba? Former Soviet Union? China under Maoists?

Taxing and using taxing for schooling and health care will allow everybody to have the same chance and that means everybody can develop himself to the fullest. The more kids with a good education the more society benefits.

I won't argue that the outcomes are desirable, only that the possible methods of achieving them are more numerous than utilizing state power to separate people from what they've earned.

There is enough inefficiency in the business world but it is hidden better because companies can very easy just fire 20% of their workforce and the company will survive again. That this is not ideal for people to build a stable life in which they can raise their children is obvious. So I much rather have some inefficiency in the government then companies benefiting from my health.

And, those companies will not long survive as some other better run company will have taken up the slack. I had the opportunity to work at one of the remaining US manufacturing companies who always benefits from recessions like the one we are having now, and has never had to lay off its workers. They count on business cycles, and they build a war chest during the good times. When the recession inevitably comes, they wait for their competition to struggle and become weakened, then they buy them out, they expand, they grow.

Most problems you have in the US with healthcare are caused because of the involvement of the private sector, not because of the government.

Singapore defies your claims.

Doctors will do 100s of tests on a patient that has a good insurance (because they make more money) even though the test are not really necessary. That allows them at the same time to not care too much about the uninsured ones......there is work enough anyway.

They do tests to avoid being slapped with a career and practice killing malpractice lawsuit.

In a fairy tale world it would indeed be great that every person himself could choose exactly the care that he needs.....but seriously....what percentage of the population actually has the intelligence and knowledge to do this??

Yes, that fairy tale world is in Singapore. They spend only 4% of GDP on health care (compared to ~14% in the US. ~7% in the UK, ~10% in the other OECD), and achieve equal to higher life expectancy than the US or UK.

And even then.....how do you insure??? For dental you can easily say; I save 100 dollar per month, and normally this would be enough for those few times I need some serious dental care......but what if you get cancer? Almost nobody can take this cost by himself, so people need to be insured, so people that never get sick pay for the people that do.......it is just like socialism.

If the cancer rate per capita is 1 in 1000, or even 1 in 100 then yes, we can create an insurance pool. When life span increases due to medical technology, the rates eventually go to 1 in 3 people getting an expensive terminal illness, such as cancer, then no one can afford to be insured, or treated. As it stands now, the current and growing population of elderly are using deficit borrowing by the US government to extend their lives for a few months to years. People always justify deficit spending as investment into the nations future, but... where is that happening?

You may have noticed the Europe, and the US are struggling with a financial crisis where socialism is running out of deep pockets to rob. Political slogans aside, adding the Buffet tax for millionaires and above would only raise about 40 billion per year in the US when we have at least a 2 trillion deficit. And, 2010 was the first year of the retiring boomers. The realistic Medicare projections have it alone exceeding 8% of GDP by 2030.