06-09-2011, 07:19 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-10-2011, 09:42 AM by FireIceTalon.)
(06-09-2011, 03:35 AM)--Pete Wrote: Hi,
(06-06-2011, 09:11 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: Thats cause Blizz is a corporation that only cares about making a profit, everything else be damned. Capitalism for the loss.
That's wrong on two levels.
The first is the implication that corporations should not put making a profit high, if not first, on their list of priorities. No profit, no corporation, no product. Before the bucks rolled in, offices were needed, designers and programmers got paid, lights, water, garbage all drained money. The reason these people could put out games is that somebody put up the funds in a gamble that they'd get a decent return on their investment. Very often such a gamble went bust, so the successes need to make up for the failures or the industry shuts down.
So, from that standpoint, your statement is childish.
The second is that Blizzard supported D1 and D2 well past when the sales of the games justified such support. Now, the quality of that support, especially in D1 and especially considering some of the input from the people on this and other communities, can be questioned. But that is not, as you imply, a question of greed. Blizzard went the extra mile, even if that mile might have been (according to some of us) a bit off course.
So, from that standpoint, your statement is ungrateful.
If you feel so strongly that capitalism and the game industry should not mix, then feel free to start a not-for-profit, charitable, donation supported game company of your own. Or stick to the free games.
Bash Blizzard all you want, (personally, I usually call then Buzzard), but for their faults, not for failing to meet your childish expectations.
--Pete
Sigh, you missed my point. It's not a matter of capitalism being compatible with the gaming industry, or not. Im not attacking Blizzard directly, but rather capitalism itself. Blizz is just another example in a very long line of examples of the bigger picture here. Sure, they aren't as bad as Walmart and Nike, or the various military weapons contract corporations that our tax dollars go to feed the "war machine" (everything else be damned) in the name of global imperialism and counter-terrorism, but my larger point remains. And yes, I'm a Marxist, and proud. As a matter of fact, to hell with being anything else. If the charges for this are me being childish (or un-American, or un-patriotic or whatever other term the forum trolls wish to label me as) and ungrateful, then damn it, I stand guilty, and with NO shame whatsoever. So no, I'm not wrong.
And please spare me the capitalism folklore crap, ive heard this all a million times before, so sorry, but it won't wash with me. Capitalism, aka economic social darwinism, is arguably the most evil and detrimental system to ever exist in civil society. It's nothing more than an excuse by the wealthy and powerful to exploit those who have less resources or who are less fortunate and to promote social darwinism in other socially constructed aspects be it imperialism, racism, or otherwise; then turn it around and use the folklore that you described to justify its means to an end, regardless of the human suffering, alienation, and exploitation it both creates and manifests. You and the rest of the Tea Baggers may buy into it (no pun intended), but not me. Any system that is used as a means to an end, rather than the end itself, and promotes consumerism, materialism, puts profits above public responsibility, social needs, merit, and integrity is doomed to fail; and one only needs to take a look at the economy the last few years to see this.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)