(08-16-2010, 03:03 PM)eppie Wrote: But does that have to do with being muslim or does that have to do with being from a country that is a sworn enemy of the US?The US has been engaged in one of the longest wars in it's history against radical jihadists, in response for perpetrating the attack on the WTC. It has to do with radical Jihad.
Quote:Half of Americans would be dancing in the street if Teheran is bombed, but that doesn't have anything to do with them being christian. That has to do with the fact that they are a bunch of stupid morons, just like those Iranians, Indonesians and palestinians that danced in the street after 9/11.....heck it has to do with the fact that at least 50% of every human on this planet is a complete moron.I disagree. First, I doubt 50% of Americans were dancing in the streets when any of the most recent conflicts began. I remember it being 50% being against it outright, and 10% being outright supportive, and 40% being tentatively supportive if the casualties are low, and political fallout is minimal. Generally, most Americans are "live and let live" in their political philosophy, which when extended to foreign policy makes us mostly non-interventionists. Most Americans have empathy for the grass roots freedom movement in Iran.
Quote:You should understand that there is a difference between a religion and cultural development. True....religions will always try to block progress, the Christians sure did try (and they still do) but laws and common practice are anyway decided by how grown-up a nation is.You actually have it backwards. Higher education, and the roots of almost every worldwide institution of higher learning are based from religion, and truth seeking. You need to give credit to the Newtons, Mendels and Darwins. Were there backwards, violent backlashes? Yes. It is hard to uproot the fear inspired "emotional" violence from the human condition. But, look honestly at where that has been expressed, rather than your prejudices. The irony of course, is that it was University inspired thirst for knowledge that often caught "The Church" off guard. If you want to qualify your statement to "The Vatican under pope XYZ", then you may be closer to the truth.
Quote:The middle east isn't very grown-up so they have more old fashioned practices we don't have anymore.....but does that mean their religion is worse than ours? Do muslims in the US protest in order to make stoning possible in the US? No of course not, they understand that freedom is much more important....and disriminating them because of what some other people did will not improve things.What percentage of American Muslims want to see, as Rauf proposes, that the US accommodate Sharia law? I think it would be rather small. But, Rauf is a proselytizing Islamic missionary called upon to spread his religion based in lower Manhattan. Would he call for stoning adulterers? Probably not. Has he condemned it? No. He won't do that either, as it is clear in the Hadith. The extremist clerics are usually smart enough to remain mute, or vague on actions that would be considered illegal in their locality. It is the nature of extreme religious clerics of all faiths to leave the "interpretation" open for their adherents to act out on. Then, in response to the bombing, killings, or other reprehensible crimes, they divert the topic to the sinful nature of the culture (that deserves retribution).
Do you have "honor killing" in Netherlands? We have it here. There are many issues where we need to have firm convictions, even when it flies in the face of "freedom of religion". For example, I think it is wrong for parents to kill their wayward children.