The other Awards Obama will will this year...

[kandrathe]

There is incontrovertible evidence that a universal health care plan is both cheaper and better than what the USA has going on.

Incontrovertible? That makes the debate simpler.

Every other country that has universal health care pays less for health care and has a better quality of care.

As, evidence, I've been shown that the amount paid by those governments in total is less than what is paid by the US where workers pay for their own health care, and then also for government health care for others. Of course it's more expensive, and its also "unfair" when some people pay nothing, and others (not the rich) pay well more than their fair share. Then, you also say you have better quality of health care, and to prove that statistic you point to birth and death statistics, while ignoring how those statistics are calculated, or by what social forces generate them (e.g. obesity rates, heart disease, teen pregnancy resulting in more infant mortality) . So, no, I don't believe you've convinced me that its incontrovertible.

So, are we talking about Canada? Britain? France? Where is this Nirvana of health care where they do everything better and cheaper, and where the system breaks even? Where they don't put people on waiting lists for months or years. Where people have a choice in what care they get, but then they let the government pay for it? Where they treat patients with equality, rather than judging their potential contribution to society. Where people are not deathly afraid of being put into the hospital for fear of lethal staph infections?