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Quote:Don't deserve? Based on what criterion? You apparently got screwed by man hating America in this case, but no surprise, you aren't the first man to run into that bias and hatred founded on Feminism and Psychobabble for 30 years. Now, you've earned your stripes. Glad to see you made it through that emotional meat grinder.

I really did not understand this part... but I side with the original poster, NO ONE deserves this kind of treatment

Quote:2. Worse than killing?

Oh please, knock it off. Besides offering the Nietzchism that "That which does not kill you makes you stronger" I will point out that the Program from WASP Hell does end eventually. While I don't buy that what is being done is right, you are full of sh** on that point. They are still alive when it is over.

Yes they are alive when it is over, but how do they live, and when it is over?

Imagine you were forced to acknowledge that everything you did was wrong and you were going to be a no-good bum/drug addict/criminal.

You seem to think that when it's over, it IS over, problem is that it is not, they are messing with the minds of teenagers that will last for a long long time (most probably their entire life) which by turn they will use the same methods on their own kids and I do not envy those kids for their life will most likely be a living hell.

Quote:3. Stripping their identities?

Oh, stop it. What they are doing is forcing them to do something they don't want to do. I don't endorse this approach. I personally consider it a form of emotional abuse. That said, everything you go through in life changes you somewhat. Again, the teen's isolation from their environment and enforced adaptation to "Something else" is not what I would call loving treatment. They are apparently 'changed' when they come out, but I wonder if a great deal of the change isn't merely external, and much of the old person is hidden for a while in order to cope.

Yes, when someone makes you think by force that all you were, done and would've been doing is wrong, it IS stripping their identities, the quotes from the kids sounded more like the talk of zombies than real living, thinking human beings.

Quote:4. The most horrible criminals? They need to be executed, or changed even more fundamentally than any of these teens ever are, because they actually went out and committed a horrible crime and are thus more than potential problems, they are proven problems for everyone, not just their families.

I have no sympathy for those who stripped others from their most basic human rights and I still believe that they do not deserve this kind of treatment, I understand how you feel about this but brainwashing people is never a good way, not to you, me, or that maniac serial killer.
Most likely it is totally (not entirely) their fault, most likely they were abused as kids etc' and this is their payback on society for making their life a living hell.
"Turn the key deftly in the oiled wards, and seal the hushed casket of my soul" - John Keats, "To Sleep"
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I'm speechless. - by WarLocke - 06-30-2003, 09:59 PM
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I'm speechless. - by WarLocke - 07-01-2003, 06:17 PM
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I'm speechless. - by WarLocke - 07-01-2003, 07:39 PM
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I'm speechless. - by Feryar - 07-01-2003, 08:03 PM
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I'm speechless. - by kandrathe - 07-03-2003, 09:27 PM
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I'm speechless. - by Guest - 07-05-2003, 12:35 PM
I'm speechless. - by Wapptor - 07-06-2003, 04:31 AM
I'm speechless. - by Wapptor - 07-06-2003, 04:44 AM
I'm speechless. - by Occhidiangela - 07-08-2003, 02:03 AM
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