Brainwashing Propaganda, or Morality Lesson?

[Jester]

I don't only post links that purely support my argument, I supply links that I hope reveal the truth. My interpretation, and reading between the lines may be different than the reporter, or yours.

Sure. But if you're reading things "between the lines" that contradict what's actually in the lines themselves, I'm not sure why I'm supposed to follow your interpretation. Finding a neutral, factual source that backs up your claims is part of the whole idea. If it isn't neutral, or it doesn't back up your claims, then it doesn't help other people understand why your argument is valid.

I have to weigh the source, and how well you might value the sources opinion. What I try not to do is cite a source who's credentials then becomes the focus of the debate.

And you are to be thanked for it. But the source still has to actually say what you're saying it's saying if it's going to be convincing.

The point I was making is that President Obama gets a level of press pampering that GWII never received.

Sure. The Bush administration never got any press pampering. Nosiree. Certainly not in the leadup to any wars I could think of. Certainly all the major newspapers, networks, talking heads and so on didn't just parrot administration talking points, rather than taking seriously the (correct, as it turns out) criticisms that the war would be needless, long and costly. That certainly never happened.

And... It's been 200 days and we are still in Iraq, escalating the war in Afghanistan, and contemplating bombing camps in Iran. Where are the fricken anti-war protesters now? Where is the daily death count (dun dun da)? Where is the list of campaign promises kept / broken?

He didn't start the war in Iraq, he's promised to end the war, and he's stuck in the trenches on health care. Obama, contrary to the accusations of some on this forum, is not actually a dictator. His will does not automatically solve all problems in his favour.

As for Afghanistan, he never said he was going to end that war. There are a lot of international allies whose own troops have been holed up there for some years now, hoping the Americans might divert some power over there. It's also going quite badly, all things considered. Maybe you shouldn't be there either, but it's certainly less clear-cut, and also not one of Obama's campaign promises.

Oh, that's right, he can't get anything done because of the aholes.

Well, yes. Do you doubt that Obama wouldn't have achieved a much more full-blooded package of liberal reforms if he wasn't having to use his political capital "compromising" with Republicans who have made it clear they have no interest in any compromise at all? With "moderate" Democratic industry shills who take nearly half their campaign money from lobbyists who want reform legislation stalled, killed and discredited?

But, we've appointed a couple dozen Tsar's to rule over us without congressional vetting or oversight.

Perhaps this is a structural issue, but it can hardly be laid at Obama's feet.

Unemployment is still crazy because its Bush's fault. Biden has the gall to get on the tube and declare that the trajectory has turned around, and the TRILLION dollar stimulus package a success. When do we swallow the $4 trillion dollar budget wake up call? Bah. Who is holding THESE clowns accountable?

Well, there is this opposition that's having an all-caps freakout about everything he does, from the largest stimulus package to the smallest speech for schoolkids. They even have their own major news station. What do you want, an emergency recall election? A congress of foreign creditors with veto power over the US budget? An armed insurrection? You get your next shot at electing a new congress in 2010, and a new president in 2012.

-Jester