08-28-2009, 04:54 AM
I really strongly feel as if you don't want to take all the healers out first. The insta-gib potential is too strong.
Priests are susceptible to focus fire, so yes, they are a good first target. Druids and shaman are reasonably easy to control with ~3 people dedicated to interrupts ( one on druid, two on shaman) plus a warlock (banish tree liberally fear otherwise.) and one of the DPS purging the focus target.
It's much easier to work after getting one or more of their deadly melee down, then switching back to healers once your interrupts and undispellable CC is on DR.
Warriors have limited defensive cooldowns, so are a good first DPS target (presuming he already burned bladestorm while you were killing the priest) The rogue being their other source of MS is another prime target.
I think a "control the healers, kill DPS" is the most repeatable strategy, but it takes some training. You also want some people doing NOTHING but chain spamming CC. The AI is programmed to dispell with very, very high priority. This means their only remaining dispeller after you kill the priest, the ret pally, will be running around cleansing and autoattacking. This reduces their DPS, as does the 0.5 seconds of fear or whatever you get before the cleanse.
Druids are good for this since cyclone doesn't get dispelled (but is very short duration at 6 seconds, then 3, then you may as well not cast a 3rd time). Even if the focus target gets cycloned, he can't be healed in a cyclone, so it lets cooldowns / energy / etc... come back for a nice burst as soon as the cyclone drops. If you have a Moonkin, just assign him to rotate cyclone all over. Occasionally roots if you need more dispel fodder, but he should be able to rotate a 6 / 3 cyclone on 3-4 NPCs indefinitely, so basically they're always at a -1. No, it can't consistently be the same person, but that's fine.
As for dealing with this group from the perspective of a priest who used to PvP a lot. It's not like PvP. With borrowed time up, mass dispel is about 0.35 second cast time. It would get interrupted by their mage. Fairly consistently. These are not like player situations These are robots programmed to do exact things (dispell CC INSTANTLY... sit on a counterspell so when you cast they will INSTANTLY interrupt.) Also in PvP, there are usually no more than 2-3 DPS (maybe 4 on a 5v5 zerg team) and resilience works against them in 25 man you are talking about *7* DPS and resilience doesn't work as well as in PvP because these aren't players, so certian portions of resilience don't work.
Priests are susceptible to focus fire, so yes, they are a good first target. Druids and shaman are reasonably easy to control with ~3 people dedicated to interrupts ( one on druid, two on shaman) plus a warlock (banish tree liberally fear otherwise.) and one of the DPS purging the focus target.
It's much easier to work after getting one or more of their deadly melee down, then switching back to healers once your interrupts and undispellable CC is on DR.
Warriors have limited defensive cooldowns, so are a good first DPS target (presuming he already burned bladestorm while you were killing the priest) The rogue being their other source of MS is another prime target.
I think a "control the healers, kill DPS" is the most repeatable strategy, but it takes some training. You also want some people doing NOTHING but chain spamming CC. The AI is programmed to dispell with very, very high priority. This means their only remaining dispeller after you kill the priest, the ret pally, will be running around cleansing and autoattacking. This reduces their DPS, as does the 0.5 seconds of fear or whatever you get before the cleanse.
Druids are good for this since cyclone doesn't get dispelled (but is very short duration at 6 seconds, then 3, then you may as well not cast a 3rd time). Even if the focus target gets cycloned, he can't be healed in a cyclone, so it lets cooldowns / energy / etc... come back for a nice burst as soon as the cyclone drops. If you have a Moonkin, just assign him to rotate cyclone all over. Occasionally roots if you need more dispel fodder, but he should be able to rotate a 6 / 3 cyclone on 3-4 NPCs indefinitely, so basically they're always at a -1. No, it can't consistently be the same person, but that's fine.
As for dealing with this group from the perspective of a priest who used to PvP a lot. It's not like PvP. With borrowed time up, mass dispel is about 0.35 second cast time. It would get interrupted by their mage. Fairly consistently. These are not like player situations These are robots programmed to do exact things (dispell CC INSTANTLY... sit on a counterspell so when you cast they will INSTANTLY interrupt.) Also in PvP, there are usually no more than 2-3 DPS (maybe 4 on a 5v5 zerg team) and resilience works against them in 25 man you are talking about *7* DPS and resilience doesn't work as well as in PvP because these aren't players, so certian portions of resilience don't work.
Conc / Concillian -- Vintage player of many games. Deadly leader of the All Pally Team (or was it Death leader?)
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Terenas WoW player... while we waited for Diablo III.
And it came... and it went... and I played Hearthstone longer than Diablo III.