Socialized Health Care in the USA
Quote:I for one and still not convinced that we [Americans] will be better off and paying less in the long run than if we had stayed course.
The course now is bankruptcy for Medicare and Medicaid (which omits 60% of the poor who qualify). I've never liked my employer negotiating my health care plan, so while it's a nice benefit, it might be better to get the $12,000 raise and negotiate my own health care plan.

And, I've mentioned before that if you want to minimize costs, then you need to begin directly negotiating care with health care providers rather than insurance companies. Return the claim process to the person buying the insurance, and the bickering over paying for the care as well. If your insurance company won't pay your claims, then go shop for one that will. This is the crux of how every other product and service works, although, there is the special case that people tend to opt for the most expensive option in health care. It is made all the easier to opt for the most expensive option when payment is masked by health insurance premiums split between you and your employer, or worse yet between you and your federal government.
”There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio.

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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-23-2009, 04:39 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 06-23-2009, 05:08 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-23-2009, 05:59 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 06-23-2009, 06:34 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by --Pete - 06-23-2009, 09:42 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Ashock - 06-23-2009, 10:14 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-24-2009, 05:07 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-24-2009, 05:44 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 06-24-2009, 10:07 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Crusader - 06-24-2009, 12:14 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-24-2009, 04:13 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by ShadowHM - 06-24-2009, 08:25 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by DeeBye - 06-24-2009, 09:43 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 06-24-2009, 11:46 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by DeeBye - 06-25-2009, 12:18 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-25-2009, 04:43 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Skandranon - 06-25-2009, 01:38 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Ashock - 06-25-2009, 03:35 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-25-2009, 03:51 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-25-2009, 03:57 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Ashock - 06-25-2009, 05:08 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-25-2009, 08:43 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-25-2009, 08:46 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Lissa - 06-25-2009, 08:53 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-25-2009, 08:55 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 06-25-2009, 09:08 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-25-2009, 09:11 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Zenda - 06-26-2009, 01:50 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-26-2009, 03:53 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-26-2009, 11:05 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 06-27-2009, 12:29 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-27-2009, 07:36 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 06-27-2009, 01:19 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-27-2009, 11:24 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 06-28-2009, 12:03 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-28-2009, 02:41 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-28-2009, 03:55 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 06-28-2009, 01:26 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 06-28-2009, 01:48 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-28-2009, 05:28 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 06-28-2009, 06:12 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 06-28-2009, 06:29 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-01-2009, 03:19 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by --Pete - 07-02-2009, 02:04 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-02-2009, 04:04 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-02-2009, 02:44 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-02-2009, 04:35 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-02-2009, 06:51 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-02-2009, 08:58 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-03-2009, 12:51 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by --Pete - 07-04-2009, 10:19 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by --Pete - 07-04-2009, 10:28 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-06-2009, 02:16 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-06-2009, 04:33 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 07-06-2009, 05:37 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 07-06-2009, 05:41 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-06-2009, 06:29 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 07-06-2009, 06:48 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Zenda - 07-06-2009, 07:15 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by --Pete - 07-06-2009, 08:14 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by --Pete - 07-06-2009, 11:02 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-06-2009, 11:35 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-07-2009, 08:49 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 07-07-2009, 09:04 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 07-08-2009, 02:12 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-08-2009, 02:38 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-08-2009, 03:37 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by --Pete - 07-08-2009, 05:01 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-08-2009, 06:24 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-23-2009, 05:17 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Alram - 07-26-2009, 03:08 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by DeeBye - 07-27-2009, 03:38 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-27-2009, 04:46 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by DeeBye - 07-27-2009, 02:56 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 07-27-2009, 10:11 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-16-2009, 04:50 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 08-17-2009, 01:52 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-17-2009, 10:54 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 08-17-2009, 11:16 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-18-2009, 03:47 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 08-18-2009, 09:36 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-19-2009, 01:01 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 08-19-2009, 09:51 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-19-2009, 11:57 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-20-2009, 02:48 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-20-2009, 03:42 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-20-2009, 03:50 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-20-2009, 11:59 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 08-20-2009, 01:33 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Delc - 08-20-2009, 03:26 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by --Pete - 08-20-2009, 05:01 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Kevin - 08-20-2009, 05:30 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 08-20-2009, 06:05 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by --Pete - 08-20-2009, 07:18 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-20-2009, 10:50 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-20-2009, 11:24 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-20-2009, 11:37 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Jester - 08-20-2009, 11:40 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-21-2009, 12:15 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by --Pete - 08-21-2009, 12:50 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Thecla - 08-21-2009, 12:57 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Skandranon - 08-21-2009, 02:13 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-21-2009, 05:27 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-21-2009, 05:41 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-21-2009, 12:23 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by --Pete - 08-21-2009, 09:04 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-21-2009, 11:02 PM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by DeeBye - 08-22-2009, 01:33 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by DeeBye - 08-22-2009, 04:00 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-22-2009, 09:21 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Skandranon - 08-22-2009, 09:37 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-22-2009, 09:42 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by --Pete - 08-22-2009, 05:33 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by Skandranon - 08-23-2009, 12:48 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-23-2009, 03:04 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by DeeBye - 08-23-2009, 04:30 AM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-23-2009, 02:00 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-23-2009, 02:15 PM
Socialized Health Care in the USA - by DeeBye - 08-24-2009, 05:34 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-25-2009, 12:15 AM
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Socialized Health Care in the USA - by kandrathe - 08-28-2009, 04:41 AM
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