Nice to see O'Bama working on getting rid of midnight Bush rules

[kandrathe]

When you start work with an employer, the employer tells you what they expect of you and you sign a contract to work for said employer. If you refuse to do the work that the employer sets before you, you have broken your side of the contract and thus give the employer the right to terminate said contract due to your refusal to perform the task. You choose to work there and if everything is told to you up front and you still choose to work there and then later refuse to perform tasks that you were informed you would need to do, you should not have started working there or expect to be removed because you have broken your contract with your employer.

Like when I was 17, I worked in the hardware area of a department store. One day they had too many of us on a shift, while the girl who worked the lingerie counter called in sick, so I was told to go work that area. I refused, and I was subsequently dismissed because I had refused to do as I was told. There are often many circumstances that you will find yourself in as an employee that are well out of your job description. I would have never imagined when I started the job, that I would be asked to sell ladies underwear. I'm a person who beleives in standing up for their principles. I did, and I suffered willingly the consequences. I went and found a job where I was not asked to compromise my principles.

Talk about apples and oranges. My point is that a medical providers job is to improve the patients quality of life. There are elective things that a medical provider can perform (plastic surgery is a prime example). Likewise, tell me how you heal diabetes. Tell me how you heal heart disease. Tell me how you heal bipolar disorder. Tell me how you heal AIDS. You see how wrong your assumption is of medicine is to "heal"? You don't heal diabetes, you don't heal heart disease, you don't heal bipolar disorder, and you don't heal AIDS, you treat and you improve the patients quality of life. You have no clue about what medical professionals do Kan, and your above statements show it. As someone that has spent nearly the last 10 years working in and around medical professionals on a daily basis, I can tell you that you really have no idea what medical professionals do for a living.

You are still comparing apples and oranges. For most women, pregnancy is not a chronic condition. For most women, abortion is not a form of remedy for that acute condition. Like most people, I only have the experience of being a participant in medicine when I, or someone in my family needs medical care. But I do know the difference between an incurable (treatable) condition like diabetes, Aids, or terminal illnesses, and those things that are curable. Pregnancy is a natural body function, which is unique in that it creates another human being. As we've discussed before, messing around with that function is controversial since you are messing around with those inalienable human rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Again, your polls are meaningless if they don't tell us exactly what people consider legal or illegal. Get that through your head.

I'm being civil, why aren't you?

Throwing numbers around without meaning is of no use. On the other hand, seeing a large number of conservatives state that they think that abortion is valid in the case of rape, incest, and to save the mother tells me more than a poll that says x number of people believe that abortion should be illegal in most case without saying one word about where it would be considered legal says nothing. If you're going to use numbers to back up your arguement, make sure the numbers have meaningful use cause throwing around statistics without giving the full extent of what those statistics is like using soccer ball in a hockey game.

These are national polls with lots of credibility. They are the numbers that are available for us. You are saying things like "lots", "lunatic fringe" or "most". I'm just trying to quantify what we are talking about. Mostly, I was pointing out that "lunatic fringe" meant about 15-20% of Americans. And, that a significant majority of people have issues with how "legal" abortion is being used whimsically for birth control.