ACORN

[--Pete]

Hi,

In all countries I have lived in every legal person should get a number. It is called different in many countries and doesn't have to have anything to do with income or social benefits.

See my reply to kandrathe on this issue.

Pete, I did not conclude anything. I asked a question and assumed some things to make clear what I was thinking about.

No. You asked a rhetorical question and used that as a launching point to tell us in the USA why we do it all wrong and why you Europeans (inventors of communism, fascism, and Nazism -- all systems that believe heavily in well documented citizens) do it so damned much better.

In most countries I have lived in you need to be able to show an ID.

Does that make it right? You need a license to drive, and that is OK. You need a license to hunt, and that is not too bad. But should you need a license just to exist?

I find it hard to understand how you are supposed to prove that you are who you are without a social number and without an ID.

And I find it hard to understand why I should have to prove anything when I'm just moving along, minding my own business and asking the rest of the word to do the same.

But also a democracy right?

No. Although this is not pertinent to this topic, there are fundamental differences. The most basic is that in a republic, people are (or should be) aware that they do not know enough about running a country and turn that responsibility over to those that supposedly do. In a democracy, the opinions of the idiots are counted equally with those of the geniuses.

Stop nitpicking if you want to really answer my questions or discuss like a grown-up.

Stop making stupid statements and I'll stop pointing out your stupid statements. You might start by informing yourself before posting about subjects you know little or nothing about.

So wouldn't it be time to get one? . . . I think that a having a database is a good idea.

Why? As I pointed out, it would not address the voter fraud issue any better than the present system does. It could even be worse. The only function of a national database is to give the federal government more information, thus more control, over the individual than it already has.

I have more problems with you explaining that the USA is a republic)

And the fact that you do not know there is a difference between a republic and a democracy, what that difference is, why it matters, and haven't (after it was pointed out to you) bothered researching it is exactly why we cannot have a rational discussion.

Yes but people mis-using your ID en voting card have to spend some time and money to be able to do that.

So? Do you think the actions of ACORN are free? Even the legal ones? How much effort and cost should the government go to in order to solve what is, at most, a minor problem?

OK, time for an analogy. Suppose a store has a shoplifting problem. Suppose they lose 1000USD a month to shoplifting. If they can reduce that by 90% by spending 500USD a month, they come out ahead. If they spend 2000USD a month on security guards, they've lost more than just letting the shoplifting go. A person of average intelligence understands this, but when it comes to the government, that same person yells that millions be spent to solve a thousand dollar problem. And, yes, I am looking at you.

--Pete