September News/Discussion

[Kevin]

Now I am confused. (Actually I am frequently confused, but now more so than normal.) I looked up miss chance on wowwiki. Unfortunately for some reason I can't insert the link, but the URL is:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Miss

According to the article: "Player/Mob vs Player When a player or mob attacks a player, the base miss rate is 5%. For each point of the defender's defense skill over the attacker's attack rating, the base miss rate increases by 0.04%. For each point of the attacker's attack rating over the defender's defense skill, the base miss rate decreases by 0.02%."

If the information is correct as well as my math, then assuming a defender's defense skill of 350, the attacker (using a single weapon) would need an attack rating of 700 to never miss: 350 + (5/0.02). How do hit rating and/or expertise or anything else affect attack rating?

Pre 2.3 the only classes that could make all hits actually land in PvE content was a hunter if they got to 142+ hit rating (pre TBC it was 9% hit as well but hit rating wasn't around). Melee could cap hit rating but would still have to deal with dodge/parry/block, it took 142+ hit rating to make sure special attacks never missed and for white hits for someone using a 2 hander or a 1H + shield. For DW toons you needed to overcome an additional 15% miss rate (you are 9% at 142 hit rating, but DW has a 24% miss rate for white attacks you you needed to get to 24% which is 15% more than 9%) You could remove block/parry by being on the back 180 degree arc of the mob.

Of course the mob would still dodge you, raid bosses at around 8%. 2.3 introduced expertise (or was it 2.2 and 2.3 just put in enough gear so you could get enough of the stat, anyway...). Since expertise reduces a mobs chance to dodge or parry you getting enough of that (I don't remember how much rating, just whatever it takes to get to 8% though I understand some mobs dodge better than others but most are 8%). So in 2.3 melee toons could also make all hits land if they had enough expertise to remove dodge and were attacking from behind. If they had enough to remove parries (16.5% I think) they could attack from the front but they would still have to deal with blocks.

Casters have always had a 1% base miss chance. They can get to 99% hit and they can remove resist via curse of shadow/elements (now rolled into one curse but it used to be two for the various schools) or spell penetration on the handful of mobs that have more resist than what the curses remove. So casters always had 1% chance to see "resist" pop up no matter what. Just like pre 2.3 melee had an 8% chance to see "dodge" pop up on an attack. As mentioned only hunters could see a damage number 100% of the time, though the pet would have the same miss/dodge issues so I guess if you count pets as part of the hunter they couldn't do it either, of course if you count the pet, this change to remove the 1% base miss means that hunters will become the only class that can't do it now. The pet will share the hunters hit chance but from what I can tell they do not share expertise from the hunter so dodges will still happen for the pet. :)

Spell misses count as misses in the last beta build now, FYI. There was a time pre TBC where they showed up different from an actual resist in the combat log as well. That was a while ago though. So we are back to casters being able to see if it was a miss or a resist again.



What you quoted was for Player vs Player or a Mob attacking a player. The rest of the thread has been talking about a player vs a mob, which follows slightly different rules than player vs player (actually it doesn't but some of the numbers are fixed whereas PvP or MvP you have more variables). Basically it's saying it's a 5% vs even level (which is the same for melee vs an even level mob) and that various skills change that. But a 350 weapon skill vs a 350 defense is 5% miss. You'll need enough hit rating to get to 5%. Attack rating in that article refers to weapon skill. Unless something else changed or I misread.