Religious Resignation

[kandrathe]

One of the best posts on the lounge, period.

I disagree. It's the 5th best. Gads! What's your meter?

Pete, Occhi, Kandrathe I have the idea you are just looking for something to justify your dislike for Obama.

Well I don't like taxes, and I don't like politicians in general, which includes the entire field of candidates. If there was a candidate who wanted to drastically scale back the Federal government and lower my taxes, then I'd be for that person.

I don't support Obama, he is much to religious for me (and where religion starts, common sense leaves....but you know my opinion on this matter) but claiming that he is in one way connected and therefore is himself in a certain way a racist is just ridiculous. Your discussion strategy of nitpicking certain remarks another person (jester in this case) made and thereby diverting from the real subject is not helping nice discussions here at all (this last part is not aimed at Kandrathe because he generally shows being able to understand what the opponent in a discussion is saying).

Thanks, I'm trying to stay on topic.

Another point more on the topic of this thread (at least of the 10 last posts) the racism question of certain people/groups. There is a big difference between a racism of say Hitler, that is in power and uses it to commit genocide, and the racism of a member of a lower class community that tries to give 'his people' some pride. Both ways are not good but there is a difference. E.g. the black panthers, obviously a racist group that committed crimes and had leaders that were in it for the power...but they still played an important role in emancipation of blacks. Comparing this; the KKK, that just went around and kill blacks and doing this without being held responsible because of support in politics and the police force is a different thing.
I am not sure that the all of the panthers would have done the same (KKK) thing if they were belonging to the 'ruling class'. For sure a part of them would.....

I disagree. Once you have a racial bias and gain power, then you are free to implement your racist policies. Take Mugabe's racist policies in stealing and looting of farms and businesses, murder of farmers and opposition members, terrorizing Supreme Court justices, bombing of opposition newspapers, imprisoning of critics and reckless promotion of racial hatred against whites and Jews. Hitler didn't start with the final solution either.

like I always say 'you have bastards in every social class/race and religious group', but trying to connect Obama with these things is just not right., it doesn't make sense.

I'm not connecting them, he is. I'm exposing the connections that we know about.

* Obama is the one who accepted $250,000 in campaign contributions from Rezko and his criminal cronies.
* Obama is the one who bought under-valued land from Rezko as an under the table graft.
* Obama is the one who sat in the pews of Wrights sermons for two decades without a peep of protest at what was said.
* Obama is the one who is friends with Ayers, a convicted and unrepentant domestic terrorist.
* Obama is the one who is friends with Ali Abunimah and helped him raise money for Palistinians.

These are not seven layers of separation they are one level of separation.

P.S. Since we are talking about Politics and Religion. I'll toss this into the discussion as well. In bin Laden's eyes, Obama is a murtad fitri, the worst type of apostate, because he was blessed by Allah to be born into the true faith of Islam. ... Should Obama become US commander in chief, there is a strong likelihood that Al Qaeda's media arm, As-Sahab, will exploit his background to argue that an apostate is leading the global war on terror (read: attacks against fellow Muslims). This perception would be leveraged to galvanize sympathizers into action. The punishment for Apostasy in Islam is execution. Here is another link that implies since it is unclear when Obama rejected Islam, he would merely need to be captured and imprisoned until he accepts or rejects Islam. If he rejected it, then he could be executed. I believe it is most likely that the media and Obama's campaign will ignore the apostasy law altogether, and tar anyone who brings it up as a "bigot." The propagandists of CAIR, MPAC et al are quite savvy at portraying themselves as victims in response to presentations of uncomfortable aspects of Islam.