Quote:Let's see, Heresy = "an opinion, doctrine, or practice contrary to the truth or to generally accepted beliefs or standards". Who is the standard bearer for Christianity? UCC? No. TUC? No. Most of standard orthodoxy has condemned Liberation Theology as heresy and apostasy. I agree with them. Don't like my answer, then ask the Pope. Don't like the Catholic view, then ask the Baptists, Evangelicals or any non-political church.
If that's the case, then they're all heretics. The Western Church has practices contrary to the Eastern one. Protestants have doctrines contrary to the Catholics, Lutherans contrary to Calvinists. The Mormons have doctrines contrary to everyone except the Mormons. Benedict XVI have doctrines contrary to Paul VI, Liberation theology does not square with Reconcliliation theology. Who's going to sort this mess out, to declare who's in the big tent and who's out? And on what grounds?
This big tent "Christianty" you're talking about doesn't exist. Who's the standard bearer for Christianity? Nobody and everybody. Everyone flies the flag of their own theological ideas, and nobody has any way of proclaiming their correctness, unless they want to march an army under that flag.
Quote:Ok, so if Hillary and Pat Robertson(trying to think of the White congruent to Farrakhan) were good friends and worked on many projects together, and Hillary gave Pat a life time achievement award you'd give her a pass?
Give her a pass on what? Being an anti-semite? It depends on what she did with Pat Robertson. Being associated witih him does not endear people to me, that's for certain. But, then, it's not a positive in my books that Wright is associated with Farrakhan either. It does not, however, immediately impart all of that man's worst characteristics on to Wright. It is a red flag that would cause me to look for further evidence. I have not found that evidence.
Quote:What? If its crap you flush it, not post it on the bulletin board. I'm sorry, but re-publishing it is endorsing it.
Right. So the New York Times is a Liberal, Conservative, Radical, Reactionary, Anti-Semitic, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Communist, Anarchist paper that thinks the NYT is the best and worst newspaper ever, with the fairest, most biased coverage in the country.
It's an open letter, Kandrathe, addressed to a member of their congregation discussing issues that are important to the church. It's not an editorial.
Quote:Like Obama himself, Wright has perfected the art of being the semi non-confrontational radical black man.
Does that phrase not sound a little off to you? Because it sure does to me.
Quote:The ADL is not the perfect litmus test on all racism.
They certainly aren't. But where they tend to make their errors is in being overzealous, not in giving anti-semites a pass for reasons unknown. They've criticised his connections to Farrakhan, but have said they've found nothing in his own sermons to support a charge of anti-semitism. Come to think of it, neither have you.
Quote:You can make allusions without ever saying the thing you want to say. That is why I referenced his sermon when he talked about Romans being Italian, Europeans, being white, and being rich. He characterized in that sermon that rich, white people are the Romans, and then described how Hillary fits the mold.
His allusion is that rich white Americans are the Romans and implementors of oppression, and poor, struggling people of color are the chosen people of God. He then goes on the say he has learned to love is enemies, love them to death. This is his Black Liberation theology in full expression. Maybe you cannot read between the lines, but maybe I am more familiar with the allusions made in sermons than you, so I do read between the lines and I don't like the implications.
If you're trying to convince me that he believes in Black Liberation Theology, don't bother, he proudly admits that. Obviously this is not your cup of tea, and that's your choice to make. But I don't see this as being particularily crazy. It was scarcely a generation ago that rich, white people made it a law of the land that poor, black people (and, at other times, Japanese, Chinese, Native, etc...) weren't really full people, and had to sit at the back of the bus, metaphorically and literally. They see their struggle to overcome that, to be recognized fully as humans, as being the same as Jesus' struggle with the Romans. Seems like a bit of a stretch to me, but then other people believed he rose from the dead and walked on water, so I think they can be given some leeway there.
Quote:In a recent CSPAN NPC lecture Wright was asked about his position on Israel, and while he said he believed Israel/Israeli's have a right to exist, he also said "Have you read the Link? Do you read the Link, Americans for Middle Eastern Understanding, where Palestinians and Israelis need to sit down and talk to each other and work out a solution where their children can grow in a world together, and not be talking about killing each other, that that is not God's will?" Here is the link to AMEU's website and I'll let you be the judge on where they stand on Israel's right to exist. AMEU was founded and is funded by the Saudi's and Saudi Aramco and is a site devoted to anti-Israeli propaganda. Now, being against Israel is not in and of itself antisemitic, but added to his other associations and rhetoric it makes me suspicious. He has been careful to walk a delicate line and keep his rhetoric below the ADL radar. But, a wink and nod he's more akin to Ali Bagdadhi, the Nation of Islam, and his former Islamic affiliations. What do you think? Is it possible he might be antisemitic?Well, it's Obama's own words from his book. When you contrast words with actions you reveal the politician.
Once again, it's all innuendo and supposition. He isn't just critical of Israel, he "walks a delicate line". With a "wink and a nod" he's Ali Bagdadhi, or the NoI, his former "Islamic affiliations". (Last I checked, he was "affiliated" with Trinity United, which is not Islamic.)
Is it *possible* he's anti-semitic? Yes. Have you *demonstrated* that he is anti-semitic? No.
-Jester