May News/Discussions

[oldmandennis]

So are the heroic 5 mans, but do you remember what the heroics were like prior to 2.1 (especially Shattered Halls and Arcatraz)?

Actually this perfectly demonstrates my point. Not only were heroic Arc and SH not as difficult as the final boss of a game (like Arthas) should be, but even at that level of difficulty it was radically easier or harder depending on your class/spec. The major reason those places were nerfed was that a bear/mage/mage/lock/holy priest could snooze their way through the 45 min timer, but prot warrior/arms warrior/cat druid/hunter/tree was pretty much boned.

If you look at tBC at launch, the only raid instance that required no attunements was Gruul's lair. If you also look at the way Blizzard lays out difficulty based on the tokens, Gruul's lair *should* have been easier than Karazhan. Difficulty for Blizzard has been shoulders -> gloves -> pants -> hat -> robe with shoulders and gloves sometimes being interchangeable.)

I wouldn't call that a rule. T4 is all screwey because of the 10/25 devide, and personally we found Leo more difficult then FLK, and it's arguable which direction makes more sense in that section of the instance. We also found council harder then Archi, though Archi is more random and difficult to farm. Goin back before TBC, T1 the pants and hat drop before the shoulders, T2 the pants and hat drop a whole dungeon before the shoulders, 2.5 the hat drops before the pants.

Do you remember just what was required for Curator in the early days? People were going into that fight with every buff imaginable to have a chance against him.

What? I remember it being exciting, but we didn't flask or anything.

They could do that same by tuning the encounters for 10 man and then scale hit points and maybe damage done by mobs/bosses for 25 man, but they would be able to leave some slack.

A 10 man that was tuned to be barely beatable by a stacked group will be impossible with a balanced one. This tuning cannot exist, therefore your upscaled 25 man cannot exist. Also, 25 mans based on 10 mans would be relatively boring.

I challenge you to scale the Illadin encounter down to 10 while still keeping all the essential challenges of the full version. It has to be completable by any reasonably balanced group of 10 at the appropriate gear level. It has to be completable with 1-2 of the less favored specs like Ret or Moonkin. It can't require any one class. Min-Maxing your raid composition can't make it trivial.