Is Obama hurting the Democratic Party by not joining forces with Hilla

[Vandiablo]

Cheap shot? A toast for you -- I raise my glass and bid you up yours, too!

Have it your way, Van, but I note who cast the first stone.

If you thought I was going to let that pass, the cheap shot that it was, you need to understand something.

That you have a hair-trigger insult-o-meter, is what I understand now.

Cheap shot?? ... run the tape ...

Occhi has labeled him a "crook"

You agree you said that, so no cheap shot there.

and wondered if he "has a spine"

Also true that you said that, though I'm to lazy to dig it up. So no cheap shot there, either.

So I'm guess what you consider a "cheap shot" from

I think it's interesting how the conservatives are trying to find the proper mud to fling at him. Here at our non-partisan lounge, Occhi has labeled him a "crook" and wondered if he "has a spine", now we have a post that he's P.T. Barnum "on his white side". What label is going to stick, and be used all summer long?? We'll see.

must be that I lumped you with conservatives, or at least with Ashock. This seems to be a sensitive issue with you. Perhaps if you didn't throw the same crap being flung by mindless conservatives, this wouldn't happen as frequently. (*) That's it, isn't it? You take pride in having informed opinions, and you don't like it when you get lumped with the mindless?? The two things I quoted you on appear to have no basis, at least no factual basis. I did not feel I was "throwing stones" at you so much as calling you out on what you've said.

A career politician is to be assumed a crook unless shown otherwise. It comes with the badge. The question is a matter of degree, not kind.

High marks for cynicism, but I don't buy it. When you direct this at a Democrat, it is indistinguishable from the Conservative Mud Machine** that screams "A Democrat is to be assumed a crook unless shown otherwise, in which case (s)he has a hidden anti-American agenda, or if none of that, is some combination of naive, stupid and weak." Your version looks like an abridged version.

I have seen enough elections now to know how this mud thing goes. The conservatives are scrambling for mud on Obama, they were so geared for Hillary that they weren't as prepared for Obama. The scramble for negative labels is happening at this moment. Pretty soon partisans will have repeated one or two labels often enough that it has "truthiness" to it, and every word or action by him will be put in that two-dimensional (that means "cartoon", kiddies) context. I'm just waiting to see what labels it will be this time.

-V

*I'm not talking about all conservatives. There are conservatives that are not mindless, or at least there used to be two of them. McCain was one. But it looks like somebody got to him, and he's now a Stepford*** candidate. The other was the columnist who died recently, you know, F. Scott Fitzgerald or somebody like that.

**There's a Liberal Mud Machine, too, but it is nowhere near as effective -- real mud is not used for various ecological reasons, it takes a while for voting and vote-counting to turn it on, it needs to be run by a member of the Brotherhood of Glop Flingers, and it only works when there's sunshine on its solar panels.

***There's an old reference, eh? And not a good one. Sorry. How about "and now he's Mr. Hand"?? More recent, but it doesn't quite fit. If it doesn't fit, I must quit.

Edit: I still run into Miss Spelling despite my efforts.