Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2
#24
Quote:It's attainable, but you give up a lot of health in doing so. As I said, Skan and I discussed this a bit and it was only seen as possible with T6 gear (Hyjal/BT) and even then, in order to attain it, non-Tauren Warriors would have to sacrifice a good deal of health (as I seem to remember and Skan can correct me on this, I asked Skan if any of the CM Warriors were trying this and his basic response was no, they'd have to give up too much health). This was talked about several months ago, probably around August or September on the EJ boards and people were discussing how Nihilium's main tank could pull it off and everyone agreed that it was only really possible due to him being Tauren as non-Taurens couldn't give up the necessary stamina to get passive uncrushability. That 5% health difference allowed him to get non-stamina enchants (like the +defense to bracers) and go with Purple and Green (to get some stamina with either defense, parry, dodge, block, str, or agi) gems to try and get socket bonuses (even more avoidance) as well that non-Tauren Warriors were having to look at mostly solids to maximize stamina.

Passive uncrushable is attainable and viable even in T5 instances (it revolves around shield block rating). It is not something you use on every fight due to the Effective Health loss, but it is viable -- and for every race.

I spend every day talking about stuff like this, with people who have achieved it -- without ever setting foot in Hyjal or Black Temple.

Quote:If it's really such a huge, massive issue, roll Horde.
That's not a solution, that's a punchline.

Quote:I'm still trying to figure out where this becomes a "massive advantage" compared to other racials. Yes it gives a tauren maintank a bit more of a health pool for those oh shi...moments. But we're still talking about on average a thousand or so hit points when the raiding game is filled with bosses that hit for 6 to 10 times that. No one is screaming about the additional 1% dodge that night elven tanks have to completely negate all incoming damage. Nor is anyone talking about a undead tank who can negate fear mechanics in defensive stance - and yes I now that fear no longer drops aggro but if you can't see why being feared and beat on is a bad thing­™ then there isn't much more to discuss. There are other tank racials that I could go into detail about but the bottom line is that in the TBC raid environment an extra 5% health just doesn't seem to be as massive a bonus to me.
1% dodge is all well and good, and next after Tauren, it certainly is the most powerful tank racial (especially due to the way it scales). But it's not in the Tauren's league.

Fear is not an issue because every warrior who knows how to stance-dance can negate it -- and that's without considering Fear Ward. In the big scheme of things, when it comes to tanking, Will of the Forsaken is rather lackluster.

Next after Tauren and Night Elves, humans and orcs have the best racials for tanks -- Expertise. It is a quite signficiant threat increase, one which tauren and night elves cannot hope to match -- but threat is not as much of an issue as EH is.

If Norrath had Tauren health bonus, it would basically be equivalent to two Flasks of Fortification when he is fully raid buffed. Without actually using any. No, as I said before, it's not gamebreaking, but it gives Tauren a marked advantage when you talk about progression.... for no good reason at all that I can see.
Earthen Ring-EU:
Taelas -- 60 Human Protection Warrior; Shaleen -- 52 Human Retribution Paladin; Raethal -- 51 Worgen Guardian Druid; Szar -- 50 Human Fire Mage; Caethan -- 60 Human Blood Death Knight; Danee -- 41 Human Outlaw Rogue; Ainsleigh -- 52 Dark Iron Dwarf Fury Warrior; Mihena -- 44 Void Elf Affliction Warlock; Chiyan -- 41 Pandaren Brewmaster Monk; Threkk -- 40 Orc Fury Warrior; Alliera -- 41 Night Elf Havoc Demon Hunter;
Darkmoon Faire-EU:
Sieon -- 45 Blood Elf Retribution Paladin; Kuaryo -- 51 Pandaren Brewmaster Monk
Reply


Messages In This Thread
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by NotSoDarklord - 12-13-2007, 04:03 AM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Bolty - 12-13-2007, 01:36 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Taelas - 12-13-2007, 11:44 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Klaus - 12-14-2007, 12:28 AM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by NotSoDarklord - 12-14-2007, 02:28 AM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Watto44 - 12-14-2007, 03:53 AM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Artega - 12-14-2007, 05:31 AM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Bolty - 12-14-2007, 01:49 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Taelas - 12-14-2007, 02:55 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Lissa - 12-14-2007, 03:07 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Delc - 12-14-2007, 03:39 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Taelas - 12-14-2007, 03:51 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Klaus - 12-14-2007, 04:29 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Tal - 12-14-2007, 04:36 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by TheDragoon - 12-14-2007, 04:51 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Lissa - 12-14-2007, 05:17 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by RTM - 12-14-2007, 05:29 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Taelas - 12-14-2007, 06:03 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Tal - 12-14-2007, 06:34 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Taelas - 12-14-2007, 06:50 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Lissa - 12-14-2007, 07:02 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Artega - 12-14-2007, 07:05 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Tal - 12-14-2007, 07:14 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Taelas - 12-14-2007, 07:25 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Quark - 12-14-2007, 07:32 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Lissa - 12-14-2007, 07:44 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Taelas - 12-14-2007, 07:53 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Tal - 12-14-2007, 08:47 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Skandranon - 12-14-2007, 09:02 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Lissa - 12-14-2007, 09:18 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Taelas - 12-14-2007, 09:57 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Frag - 12-14-2007, 10:06 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Artega - 12-14-2007, 10:37 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Lissa - 12-14-2007, 10:43 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Frag - 12-14-2007, 11:04 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Taelas - 12-14-2007, 11:10 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Treesh - 12-15-2007, 01:06 AM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Tal - 12-15-2007, 03:44 AM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Mirajj - 12-15-2007, 05:41 AM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Pantalaimon - 12-15-2007, 06:20 AM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Taelas - 12-15-2007, 09:09 AM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Artega - 12-15-2007, 07:55 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Pantalaimon - 12-15-2007, 08:34 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Artega - 12-16-2007, 03:23 AM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by NiteFox - 12-16-2007, 02:17 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Artega - 12-16-2007, 10:20 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Concillian - 12-17-2007, 07:31 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Frag - 12-17-2007, 09:02 PM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Artega - 12-18-2007, 06:47 AM
Rogue + Shadow Priest 2v2 - by Taelas - 12-18-2007, 01:41 PM

Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)