Super-guild has already cleared Naxx

[Swiss Mercenary]

Anyone considered that maybe the difference is that the playerbase has become more skilled at the game over the intervening four years? Maybe after honing our skills in classic raiding, in TBC and in heroics the average player of WoW is pretty adept?

Unlikely. The usual suspects were standing in fires (and void zones), CHARGING UP THEIR LASERS in front of whirlwinding mobs, catching flame walls to the face (Over and over and over), and failing the Heigan dance. (One-shot him with half the raid dead after the first transition, and 6 people up at the end).

(Yes, they were carried through T6... Who you know, not what you know, etc, etc)

And don't get me started on the numbers... Our mage and ret paladin (10-man) did less damage combined then either our warlock or shadow priest. As a healer, I was too busy fighting the other two healers for the pitiful amounts of damage the raid was taking... While our disc priest smited his way through the zone.

I'm also seeing the same level of play in PUGs as I did pre-BC (Although, the first week of 80, when only the hardcore were doing heroics was a refreshing change of pace).

I don't mean to come off as an elitist prick, here - I think it's a good investment that casuals will get to see raid content (And should continue to see it, thanks to 10-mans). I also think that some the entry requirements for BC 25-mans were too steep... However, it seems like, at least for 25-mans, the pendillum swung way too far (In the right direction).