06-22-2007, 05:54 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-22-2007, 07:03 AM by weatherine.)
I think your "facts" are wrong and one sided magix:
Detector's ill-fated run:
-Holy was the best equipped tank possible, yet another was chosen. So now preparation no longer plays a part? (btw I think the 2 tanks on that run tanked okay, but the other one, forgot his name, definitely was undergeared, even for normal 70 instances. Big difference in how much healing they needed, and how much they get hit for.)
The reason holy was not chosen was detector didn't know him. We know that now, that's a valid reason.
This kara run was mentioned because it wasn't successful, and then somehow, enthusiasm for the run faltered the next week. You don't see a connection?
Slamming the guild:
Are all of you seeing what I see?
You have a group with 10 players or so. Lots of flex to try to roster in a couple more, especially since this group knows the instance very well by this time.
Now you have another group, already overcrowded, and the solution and first decision by officials was to "politely" tell non guildies (who were *instrumental in actually getting the raid off the ground) to make way for guildies.
Is this the right way to treat people who've helped you, once they're no longer of use? (I can see a more obvious solution - take the few guildies who are having problems finding spots and roster them into the established run. Saves a lot of void crystals if nothing else.)
And when the people doing this are mostly people who weren't even part of the run, who don't know the various varying contributions by different members of the run, what should I think? I read a few of the later posts. So if I get it right, you (officers) didn't know this was what your post sounded like - that you came off as being users.
*The non guildies were instrumental because they met all the following criteria:
-reliable and punctual
-sufficiently geared for kara, and if not, brought whatever enhancement was needed (like elixirs/pots)
-play their class well
Basic checklist for any other well run raid, no? I won't even put "spec the best way to help the run" up there, but when the group isn't too strong, every little bit, like talent specs, do help.
And lastly, I'd almost forgotten the "quitting to retaliate" point magix brought up:
I left because (to summarise what's already been posted)
1) My friends, who came to help make up a group and were indeed, instrumental in us having any group at all, were not treated well.
2) People who would consider doing (1) are not people I want to play with.
I can think of more fun ways to retaliate. A well placed MD shot on a squishy clothie. Accidentally picking up a BOP epic you want. A well timed accidental DC on my current crappy computer. FD! Even something more normal, like not doing all I can to rush home just so I won't disappoint the group I've commited to raid with.
I've given all I could the past few weeks. Maybe you did too. But it didn't feel like everyone involved put in the same. I pay the same amount per month as you and everyone else and expect the same fun/effort.
Detector's ill-fated run:
-Holy was the best equipped tank possible, yet another was chosen. So now preparation no longer plays a part? (btw I think the 2 tanks on that run tanked okay, but the other one, forgot his name, definitely was undergeared, even for normal 70 instances. Big difference in how much healing they needed, and how much they get hit for.)
The reason holy was not chosen was detector didn't know him. We know that now, that's a valid reason.
This kara run was mentioned because it wasn't successful, and then somehow, enthusiasm for the run faltered the next week. You don't see a connection?
Slamming the guild:
Are all of you seeing what I see?
You have a group with 10 players or so. Lots of flex to try to roster in a couple more, especially since this group knows the instance very well by this time.
Now you have another group, already overcrowded, and the solution and first decision by officials was to "politely" tell non guildies (who were *instrumental in actually getting the raid off the ground) to make way for guildies.
Is this the right way to treat people who've helped you, once they're no longer of use? (I can see a more obvious solution - take the few guildies who are having problems finding spots and roster them into the established run. Saves a lot of void crystals if nothing else.)
And when the people doing this are mostly people who weren't even part of the run, who don't know the various varying contributions by different members of the run, what should I think? I read a few of the later posts. So if I get it right, you (officers) didn't know this was what your post sounded like - that you came off as being users.
*The non guildies were instrumental because they met all the following criteria:
-reliable and punctual
-sufficiently geared for kara, and if not, brought whatever enhancement was needed (like elixirs/pots)
-play their class well
Basic checklist for any other well run raid, no? I won't even put "spec the best way to help the run" up there, but when the group isn't too strong, every little bit, like talent specs, do help.
And lastly, I'd almost forgotten the "quitting to retaliate" point magix brought up:
I left because (to summarise what's already been posted)
1) My friends, who came to help make up a group and were indeed, instrumental in us having any group at all, were not treated well.
2) People who would consider doing (1) are not people I want to play with.
I can think of more fun ways to retaliate. A well placed MD shot on a squishy clothie. Accidentally picking up a BOP epic you want. A well timed accidental DC on my current crappy computer. FD! Even something more normal, like not doing all I can to rush home just so I won't disappoint the group I've commited to raid with.
I've given all I could the past few weeks. Maybe you did too. But it didn't feel like everyone involved put in the same. I pay the same amount per month as you and everyone else and expect the same fun/effort.