05-28-2007, 07:12 PM
Quote:I'm not saying you're lying about encounters.
This is what I have issues with:
"Why shouldn't a warrior be the best at it - since non-warriors are the best at other tank jobs?"
What other tank jobs? Off-tanking? 5-mans? Sorry, but if you're already bringing more than one Protection warrior, the first job is taken, despite that I'm supposedly better at it. As for 5-mans, they've gotten much better in TBC, but I still don't really care about them. Any loot I can get in a non-Heroic 5-man will be replaced by raid gear. As for Heroics, that's currently the only place where I can really put my skills to use.
A feral is always my first choice to off-tank, even if another Prot warrior is in the raid. I do what's optimal, and offtanks where threat is required to be maintained are perfect for druids. I know you don't believe that druids generate more threat than warriors in the off-tank position, but it's true. Multiple KTM records from months of Gruul and Void Reaver kills confirm it. Hell, I always assign our feral to tank the first add on Magtheridon because DPS can go all-out even though the first add hits lightly.
I will admit that I haven't got a Druid or Prot warrior of my own, but I do know when I tell the Druid to do the job, it gets done, and when I tell a prot to do it, it doesn't. And these are good protection warriors: every one of them has been with us since BWL and tanked 4h, Kel'Thuzad, and every difficult encounter up to now.
Quote:"For all the rest of the tanking, a warrior would struggle or be outright incapable of pulling it off."
What is a warrior OUTRIGHT INCAPABLE of tanking? How is claiming something like this NOT making stuff up?
Let me explain. Morogrim Tidewalker has a "murloc phase" where he shakes the ground and twelve murlocs come barreling into the room, hitting for about 1800 on cloth. They do need to be tanked and AoEed down.
There are twelve of them. How, without using Challenging Shout, is a Warrior supposed to hold aggro on all of them? TC hits four targets and you can't even pick which ones. Murlocs come every 40 seconds on a 10 minute fight so Challenging is out. Demo shout and Piercing Howl can't hold aggro against more than one or two Seeds of Corruption.
A paladin? Just drops consecration, and he's got them all without a fuss. Healing himself through the subsequent attacks with RF on is all the tanking the murlocs need. A warrior simply can't do that. He's outright incapable of simultaneously controlling twelve mobs in a repeatable fashion. We don't have a protection paladin, but I wish we did, because I am forced to assign two protection warriors and our feral druid to control the murlocs. Yes, this is a use for prot warriors, but suboptimal by any stretch of the imagination - I have to get three people to do one person's job, and any of the tanks on their own would be outright incapable of doing the job.
This is only one example, but I think it illustrates my point well. There are many unconventional tanking situations in new raid content, and some of them are really bad for warriors.