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[Taelas]

This is absurd. I've been through most of SSC and TK and anyone describing a bear tank as second-rate needs to get their head checked. We have a raiding bear who we use to tank nearly every fight in there, and that's even with 3 Prot warriors in the raid besides. Druids have clear advantages on nearly every fight in TBC raiding content. And as for paladins, they make excellent tanks for non-boss components of fights (and this isn't Molten Core, there literally IS no fight where you have just one boss and nothing else).

Saw this post a little late.

"Nearly every fight in there" except the ones that require resistance gear (the only kind comes in the form of 67 greens 'of [type] Protection" for druids). No craftables.

And, eh, have you ever fought Gruul? Single boss, no adds. He doesn't count?

I find the opposite (perhaps because I pug more than you). Much easier to get groups with the Warrior, easier to get chosen as the person who will be doing the tanking with the Warrior, the over-nukers have a better feeling for how long to wait before they start to unload and 2 seconds off Taunt cooldown is a life-saver.

I have zero trouble getting groups as a tank. None what-so-ever. I've been asked completely out of the blue if I wanted to come tank--by people I have never met before. Tanks are a rare breed, and are coveted in pretty much whatever form they show up in.

Agreed, my frustration is that druids are not capable of being the "star of the show" main tanks that we were capable of being in January. My frustration is compounded when people like Kalgan state that the reason we should not be so empowered is because the pure class should be better. What pure class? There are no pure classes in WoW. What he really means is Druids, as a hybrid class, can't be as good because fanboys of some other hybrid class get emo

I'm perfectly capable of main-tanking, thank you. The nerf, in retrospect, was not as serious as it was made out to be. Heavy, yes, but we're still around.

I can see that this may be the case but I can't see the situation in which it matters. I've not found threat generation of a Warrior to be lacking when both my Druid and a Warrior co-tank are ping-ponging aggro. What situations require more threat than a Prot Warrior generates while not taking damage?

It means quite simply that we're better off-tanks. We can generate higher threat than a secondary warrior.

The only meaningful number is damage taken. How much and how spikey. Everything else is fluff

I quite agree--and my total damage reduction is better than our main tank's by ~5%. Physical only, of course.

With what? The horribly reduced Swipe? Do you really feel that Swipe beats Thunderclap spam by so much?

I swipe-tank heroics. Let's see a warrior do that with Thunderclap.

Again I would dispute this. Bears in tank gear do not do much better damage than Prot Warriors, at least mine doesn't. If I'm in a 5 man generally the damage meter looks like this
dps 100
dps 90
dps 80
prot warrior or bear druid 50-60
healer 0-10
Admittedly my Prot Warrior is only 63 so it may change but those numbers also correlate to what I've seen then someone else is tanking with a Prot Warrior for us

We do more damage. Test it.

As do two large bosses plus the encounters with fear, with undead, with elementals that don't bleed, with stuff that can be interrupted and magical damage. Also compared with paladins Warriors are miles ahead on anything that silences or mana burns

Non-bleedable mobs are a non-issue since they changed Lacerate to give initial damage. The bleed damage is very little threat. It does mean we hold bleedable mobs better, but it really isn't that big a deal.

Not only are Warriors the best overall tanks but the situational tanking niches we were promised are all situations where Warriors tank better than one or both of the other two.

Both Gruul and Maulgar are pure physical damage fights where druids do better than warriors.

No, things aren't fantastic, and warriors are still king of the hill when it comes to tanking, but they are not the only ones capable of doing the job--most of the time. There are fights where warriors are pretty much required, but a Protection warrior really can't do much else than tank. I'm content to let them, as long as they allow me to tank whenever I'd be a better choice.

It was nothing so planned. I started TBC in a Hunter duo, we couldn't get instances done, I revived my old Druid, tanked to 70, tanked for my guild in Kara, got nerfed, got discouraged and gave up. At that time parity of tanking was not only something we had been promised but had also been implemented in the game

Take it back up. I'm doing just fine tanking, especially since 2.1. Threat isn't an issue.