Quote:Look through my posts and you can clearly see I'm no fanboi. I feel this post is way too dire.
I have fairly extensive experience with druids and warriors (raiding bear, 67 warrior)
Where does this habit of giving an auto-biography come from when you have something you wish to assert? Can we please just assume that the quality of our posts reflects our experience, it's pretty obvious when people are talking about things they haven't experienced. Besides most of us have known each others' posts for about 5 years now
Quote:I find the druid *much* easier to play in a 5 man. I'm not really looking forward to collecting nethers with my warrior.
I find the opposite (perhaps because I pug more than you). Much easier to get groups with the Warrior, easier to get chosen as the person who will be doing the tanking with the Warrior, the over-nukers have a better feeling for how long to wait before they start to unload and 2 seconds off Taunt cooldown is a life-saver.
Quote:For raiding, druid off-tanks also bring important advantages over warriors
Agreed, my frustration is that druids are not capable of being the "star of the show" main tanks that we were capable of being in January. My frustration is compounded when people like Kalgan state that the reason we should not be so empowered is because the pure class should be better. What pure class? There are no pure classes in WoW. What he really means is Druids, as a hybrid class, can't be as good because fanboys of some other hybrid class get emo
Quote:excellent threat when not taking damage
I can see that this may be the case but I can't see the situation in which it matters. I've not found threat generation of a Warrior to be lacking when both my Druid and a Warrior co-tank are ping-ponging aggro. What situations require more threat than a Prot Warrior generates while not taking damage?
Quote:huge amounts of armor
The only meaningful number is damage taken. How much and how spikey. Everything else is fluff
Quote:vastly superior threat on 2-3 targets
With what? The horribly reduced Swipe? Do you really feel that Swipe beats Thunderclap spam by so much?
Quote:higher overall threat
Not according to EJ number-crunchers
Quote:much better damage (either in tank gear or in dps gear).
Again I would dispute this. Bears in tank gear do not do much better damage than Prot Warriors, at least mine doesn't. If I'm in a 5 man generally the damage meter looks like this
dps 100
dps 90
dps 80
prot warrior or bear druid 50-60
healer 0-10
Admittedly my Prot Warrior is only 63 so it may change but those numbers also correlate to what I've seen then someone else is tanking with a Prot Warrior for us
Quote:For example - when we put Mag down on Wed, we used 2 ferals and 3 warriors. I was in full tank gear (except for a weapon swap). I came in 6th for damage done to Mag, nearly trippleing the damage done by the two left over warriors. Now I did get mangles and was not on cube duty, but I also shifted to help heal a few times, as well as brez and innervate twice.
OK 6th is awesome, well done, but it's such as odd fight since most people are focussed on cube-clicking rather than dpsing. It's not really representative
Quote:Now, the single large boss does heavily favor warriors still.
As do two large bosses plus the encounters with fear, with undead, with elementals that don't bleed, with stuff that can be interrupted and magical damage. Also compared with paladins Warriors are miles ahead on anything that silences or mana burns
Not only are Warriors the best overall tanks but the situational tanking niches we were promised are all situations where Warriors tank better than one or both of the other two.
Quote:I'll admit, they have waffled a bit on if a warrior will be required to tank raid encounters. But if you didn't figure out at Lucifron that warriors were the raid tank, or had it figured out but decided to roll pally *AND* druid anyways based on a few vague comments, I don't know what to say.
It was nothing so planned. I started TBC in a Hunter duo, we couldn't get instances done, I revived my old Druid, tanked to 70, tanked for my guild in Kara, got nerfed, got discouraged and gave up. At that time parity of tanking was not only something we had been promised but had also been implemented in the game
Quote:If you can't find plenty of fun things to do with a druid... I hope Conan comes out soon for you or something.
Currently really enjoying my Warrior - what better way to prepare for Conan! :rolleyes: