A terrible, terrible tragedy.

[Doc]

I have not argued that the Constitution recognizes treason, that was Jester who argued that rebellion is equal to treason, which it most certainly is not (strictly speaking) On the other hand, the Congress has the power to maintain order. If the government behaves unconstitutionally, the people either put up with it, or get rid of it by whatever means necessary.

If it comes to rebellion, the niceties of Constitutional language tend to be overlooked in the short term, as Lincoln's suspension of habeus corpus showed. :P

Therefore, the people need to be armed against that case of a threat to their freedom.

Occhi

Yes. And for that, we need armor piercing rounds as well as firearms (and ammo) capable of stopping tanks, helicoptors, or whatever may come along to suppress our rights to freedom. Look at Waco and the flame thrower tanks... I have stuff that would have blown those tanks in to itty bitty chunks of scrap metal. I have rounds that would have blown right through that armor plating and through the drivers inside. Or look at Ruby Ridge... Our government has no problems breaking the law to harm us... We have a right and a responsibility to make sure they pay with the lives of men should they overstep their bounds. I hope and pray to God that I never need to use the arms I keep against my own government, I'd rather use them against invaders or for societal breakdown / civil unrest.

Waco was a failure because the folks had some hardcore firepower but didn't use it. They used small arms fire and machine gun fire to speak for them when words failed. Had they used a couple of those RPGs or bazooka rounds they had stashed away, I dare say the Feds would have ran off like scalded dogs and verbal negotiations would have took place. You can lose a few lives, or you can lose a little hardware, but you start taking heavy loses of hardware and lives and there is just to damn much paper work to fill out. Beaurocracy takes over and a whole different negotiation process kicks in. How cost effective is it to root you out?