12-14-2006, 02:50 PM
Quote:This video pretty much illustrates the problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR2n4XhRQ58
Watch at 3:14 and see the Warmasters standing and watching the fight.
This has been discussed on the PVP Blizzard forums ad nauseum for about 3 months now. It is a bug that is by now pretty much known everywhere and especially in my Bgroup where even non-premades have perfected it. It's a very easy pull. As far as the premades, forget it. It's automatic. As a NE Warrior, I have on numerous occasions SMd inside Van's room and seen this. The only way to counter this is to Fear/IS the Horde into the Marshals, but this often does not work as the Marshals run to the feared Horde but reset after several hits. It is also very difficult to run into Van's room since the Horde NPCs standing next to the AS flag aggro as soon as you trinket in, so a couple of players and the NPCs make it very problematic to run in and fear them. A good premade will not even wait for the AS flag to cap to exploit Van.
Actually, this exploit is not as bad as the terrain bug exploit was, where the Horde was able to scale the mountain to DB and emerge next to Aid Station without ever having to fight not just NPCs, but the Ally players themselves, and we'd never see them coming. Every 2nd game I'd play I'd see that, and the Van pull exploit, so like 5-6 games/day. This thankfully has been fixed with 2.0.
Many on the Horde side try to justify this exploit by saying that it just makes up for the Allies being able to not fight any of their NPCs coming over to RH, but really it's like comparing an elephant with a fly. An elite Horde non-WM NPC takes about 5-6 sec to kill with 10 ppl, whereas the Marshals are the most powerful NPCs in the game not counting Van/Drek and they are also chain linked. So, whatever.
Interestingly enough, in my Bgroup Horde actually wins > 60% of the games even where they don't cheat. They simply defend IBGY with 10, which is as good a choke as any the Allies have. However, our Bgroup seems to be the exception and not the rule. Before the patch, with all the premades I saw every day (10-12 games), with all the exploits, I won maybe 20% of all games.
It's gotten better now. However yes, this is a known exploit. Oh and btw, I have also been in 2 games where the Alliance did a similar thing to Drek, but this is very difficult to pull off, due to the placement of the WMs.
This naturally needs to be fixed. My suggestion is simple. Blizzard does not even have to change any of the mechanics. All they have to do is give Bonus Honor to killing the Marshals/WMs and noone will ever exploit again.
-A