05-20-2003, 12:12 PM
So, if dirty PKing tricks are removed from the game and PKers are forced to play fair, that leaves anti-PKers with *only one* argument: that they have the right to play the game without being bothered by other people. An argument which I can refute by saying exactly the same thing: if some one is bothering me in game, I also have the right to kick him out, by force if necessary.
How? The game creator does not have a Boot button to eject undesirables. (This is actually a third solution to PKing, albeit a less effective one). You mean eject by force. Excuse me for shouting, but GET A CLUE! An anti-monster build character could be higher level than an anti-player (PK) build character harassing him, and still be unable to eject him from the game by force. You may have the "right" to kick someone out by fighting in self-defense. But not all of us want to have to resort to that, or can.
Now, as designer, you can either make your game a faerie tale and eliminate PKing
This confuses me. What makes you think game designers have an obligation to make computer games anything like reality? If I wanted to deal with the stress of assholes forcing themselves on my personal space and threatening to kill me, I'd go out and drive around town during rush hour. Thing is, I don't enjoy that. I *do* enjoy playing computer games, which are an ESCAPE from putting up with assholes. Yet you claim, for some silly ideal of realism, that assholes should be allowed to follow me into my own game?!
OR you allow unilateral player agression, like in the real world.
Again, why does it need to be anything like the real world? If unilateral aggression didn't exist in the real world, I think a lot of people wouldn't play video games in the first place.
Blizzo chose the latter, but know this: it wasn't an easy decision. Inside Blizzo there's about as many pro-PKers as anti-PKers. (This was known during the Max/Sirian debate.)
Bah and humbug. I stick to my guns: Blizzard is in love with PK's. They've practically done everything but write a big red label on the game box saying "THIS GAME IS DESIGNED FOR SURPRISE CHEAP-SHOT ATTACKS TO RUIN OTHERS' FUN!!" If there are anti-PKers in Blizzard, they speak out rarely and shut up fast whenever there's any danger they might change anything. Though I personally can't claim to have EVER seen a Blizzard employee make a personal stance against PKing.
I can assure you in the faerie tale world, I'd be done with D2 in 4 weeks...
So be done with it, go away, and leave those uninterested in being harassed alone. It's not OUR fault you can't retain interest in the game, and need to meddle with others to get your jollies. If D2, for itself, isn't fun for you, find some other game instead of bothering people who still do enjoy the actual game.
PKing excuses demolished in this Kasreyn post: 3
1. You can kick them out if you don't like it!
2. PKing is realistic!
3. But PKing is fun for me!
1. No, you can't, plus it requires sinking to their level.
2. Realism can go take a running leap, who needs it?
3. Not for me, and you're no more important than me, so screw off.
-Kasreyn
How? The game creator does not have a Boot button to eject undesirables. (This is actually a third solution to PKing, albeit a less effective one). You mean eject by force. Excuse me for shouting, but GET A CLUE! An anti-monster build character could be higher level than an anti-player (PK) build character harassing him, and still be unable to eject him from the game by force. You may have the "right" to kick someone out by fighting in self-defense. But not all of us want to have to resort to that, or can.
Now, as designer, you can either make your game a faerie tale and eliminate PKing
This confuses me. What makes you think game designers have an obligation to make computer games anything like reality? If I wanted to deal with the stress of assholes forcing themselves on my personal space and threatening to kill me, I'd go out and drive around town during rush hour. Thing is, I don't enjoy that. I *do* enjoy playing computer games, which are an ESCAPE from putting up with assholes. Yet you claim, for some silly ideal of realism, that assholes should be allowed to follow me into my own game?!
OR you allow unilateral player agression, like in the real world.
Again, why does it need to be anything like the real world? If unilateral aggression didn't exist in the real world, I think a lot of people wouldn't play video games in the first place.
Blizzo chose the latter, but know this: it wasn't an easy decision. Inside Blizzo there's about as many pro-PKers as anti-PKers. (This was known during the Max/Sirian debate.)
Bah and humbug. I stick to my guns: Blizzard is in love with PK's. They've practically done everything but write a big red label on the game box saying "THIS GAME IS DESIGNED FOR SURPRISE CHEAP-SHOT ATTACKS TO RUIN OTHERS' FUN!!" If there are anti-PKers in Blizzard, they speak out rarely and shut up fast whenever there's any danger they might change anything. Though I personally can't claim to have EVER seen a Blizzard employee make a personal stance against PKing.
I can assure you in the faerie tale world, I'd be done with D2 in 4 weeks...
So be done with it, go away, and leave those uninterested in being harassed alone. It's not OUR fault you can't retain interest in the game, and need to meddle with others to get your jollies. If D2, for itself, isn't fun for you, find some other game instead of bothering people who still do enjoy the actual game.
PKing excuses demolished in this Kasreyn post: 3
1. You can kick them out if you don't like it!
2. PKing is realistic!
3. But PKing is fun for me!
1. No, you can't, plus it requires sinking to their level.
2. Realism can go take a running leap, who needs it?
3. Not for me, and you're no more important than me, so screw off.
-Kasreyn
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"As for the future, your task is not to forsee it, but to enable it."
-Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
--
I have a LiveJournal now. - feel free to post or say hi.
AIM: LordKasreyn
YIM: apiphobicoddball