05-19-2003, 09:29 PM
devzero:
Thanks for articulating one of the points that I thinking about but did not put in the earlier post. Another point to compare with the testing that had been done before is that there is no indication of any testing at the slower speeds like using a Maul with no IAS on it. From my experience the sustained rate of attack after the first two hits is rather slow. But again this would not be something that most would bother to try to check on and difficult to test when using only a single target for the testing.
I have noted no directional bias in which monster is selected to carry out the attack against. I suspect that it will use a system similar to Thunderstorm for tracking which targets to attack. In that case it keeps a list of targets in range and adds/deletes form the list as they enter/leave. It will then just be cycling through the list for the next one to attack.
Example: Using a Scimitar (WSM=-20) righthand and a Falcion (WSM=+20) left hand, with no IAS mods on them.
1st attack rh frame 4
2nd attack lh frame +4= 8
3rd attack rh frame +6= 14
4th attack lh frame +12= 26 horrible weapon :(
5th attack rh frame +6= 32
6th attack lh frame +12= 44
etc.
side note: Amost 2 seconds would have passed with only 6 attacks having been made, with the first 2 having happened in the first 1/3 of a second. Cases like this it would be better to just do very short dash WW and start again instead of a single continous WW attack.
Ghostiger:
It is very relavent if you run the sequence out like I did above.
Example2: Hone Sudan (Yari, WSM=0) with 3 shaels(IAS +60)
1st attack is at frame 4
2nd attack frame +4= 8
3rd attack frame +4= 12 [/i]check the table for 2ht in my first post above[/i]
4th attack frame +4= 16
etc.
The sustained attack rate is 25/4= 6.25 attacks per second.
Example3: Spire of Honor(Lance, WSM=+20) WIAS-WSM= 0-20= -20
1st attack is at frame 4
2nd attack frame +4= 8
3rd attack frame +14= 22 [/i]check the table for 2ht in my first post above[/i]
4th attack frame +14= 36
etc.
The sustained attack rate after the first two attacks is 25/14= ~1.8 attacks per second or less than a third of what you should expect with the Shaeled Hone Sudan.
Quote:This is very intresting as it contradicts the known formula for WW breakpoints, but still confirms them
1 hs breakpoints are 8 and 34, but are listed as 10 and 35. Academical diffrence since neither 8 nor 34 is atainable on a weapon, but confirms the formula.
2 hs breakpoints are 6, 27 and 51, but are listed as 10, 30 and 60. If the formula is correct this is a diffrence since you CAN reach 55%
2 ht breakpoints are 6, 27 and 59, but are listed as 10, 30 and 60. Again only an academical diffrence, but confirms the formula.
My bet is that most testing have been done on other stuff than swords wielded 2 handed, but testing at 50 and 60 with a 2 handed sword COULD give confirmation to a bp at 60.
Thanks for articulating one of the points that I thinking about but did not put in the earlier post. Another point to compare with the testing that had been done before is that there is no indication of any testing at the slower speeds like using a Maul with no IAS on it. From my experience the sustained rate of attack after the first two hits is rather slow. But again this would not be something that most would bother to try to check on and difficult to test when using only a single target for the testing.
I have noted no directional bias in which monster is selected to carry out the attack against. I suspect that it will use a system similar to Thunderstorm for tracking which targets to attack. In that case it keeps a list of targets in range and adds/deletes form the list as they enter/leave. It will then just be cycling through the list for the next one to attack.
Quote:Last question, using 2 weapons means supposedly that you hit 50% faster. Does that mean that it checks every 2 frames or instead of 4 what?
Example: Using a Scimitar (WSM=-20) righthand and a Falcion (WSM=+20) left hand, with no IAS mods on them.
1st attack rh frame 4
2nd attack lh frame +4= 8
3rd attack rh frame +6= 14
4th attack lh frame +12= 26 horrible weapon :(
5th attack rh frame +6= 32
6th attack lh frame +12= 44
etc.
side note: Amost 2 seconds would have passed with only 6 attacks having been made, with the first 2 having happened in the first 1/3 of a second. Cases like this it would be better to just do very short dash WW and start again instead of a single continous WW attack.
Ghostiger:
Quote:Hammerins post has alot of detail - but I dont think it is relevent to this issue at all.
It is very relavent if you run the sequence out like I did above.
Example2: Hone Sudan (Yari, WSM=0) with 3 shaels(IAS +60)
1st attack is at frame 4
2nd attack frame +4= 8
3rd attack frame +4= 12 [/i]check the table for 2ht in my first post above[/i]
4th attack frame +4= 16
etc.
The sustained attack rate is 25/4= 6.25 attacks per second.
Example3: Spire of Honor(Lance, WSM=+20) WIAS-WSM= 0-20= -20
1st attack is at frame 4
2nd attack frame +4= 8
3rd attack frame +14= 22 [/i]check the table for 2ht in my first post above[/i]
4th attack frame +14= 36
etc.
The sustained attack rate after the first two attacks is 25/14= ~1.8 attacks per second or less than a third of what you should expect with the Shaeled Hone Sudan.