04-18-2006, 03:58 PM
Occhidiangela,Apr 18 2006, 10:45 AM Wrote:By hiring Paul Wolfowitz? Your "liberal" credentials just took a hit. :lol:
*restrins self from commenting on edifices made from elephant protuberances*
If you consider only the articles that deal with developed western contexts, you'll find a common theme: under conditions of inequality, impoverishment in particular sectors of society leads to increased rates of violent crime.
Not all poor are homogenously violent, criminally inclined, et cetera. That is what Drasca has been trying, with apparent lack of success, to get across.
Within the bottom rung of the socioeconomic ladder are poor but proud, the sort who simply don't commit crime, and the poor, desparate, and irresponsible.
Your apparent presumption that bias creates criminal activity strikes me as bizarre. The missing behavioral checks, internal and external combined, on criminal or lawless behavior, are, to once again capture Draca's sound point, is not solely driven by economic status.
Poor but proud is how my Dad grew up. He lost his father when he was 10. Funny, he didn't turn into a criminal, even though he was a child of a non English speaking minority where he grew up. His mother and older sister provided the moral discipline he needed to do well in school, to learn English, to work his butt off, and improve his lot in life. He had chances to stray, I don't doubt, but he didn't. Cultural and behavioral discipline, not license, and not a mind set seeking apology for being "disadvantaged." He did have a mentor, a godfather, whose presence was an accepted norm in a community that did not discard religion, but embraced it. My dad became an Agnostic as a young man, and still is. He spent no time excoriating or condemming Christians, or Jews, or Athiests for their beliefs -- unlike the trendy sneers one sees so often these days -- he just got on with his life and made the best of each situation he encountered.
There was an old saying that a ghetto isn't a place, it is a state of mind. Well, I'll up the ante: lawful behavior is a matter of attitude, as is unlawful and criminal behavior.
Occhi
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I grew up in whore houses, road houses, dance halls, had moon shiners and all manner of terrible folk as foster parents, done time on correctional boys farms, and somehow through all of that, even in my earliest memories and childhood thoughts, I held on to some sort of moral code of what I believed was right and wrong. My environment was terrible. I mean, lots of kids grew up in these conditions in the poor rural South. A lot of them grew up and became criminals. Same as the ghettos.
It's all about choice. How you grow up doesn't make you do anything. It's all in what you choose.
You always have freedom of choice, but you never have freedom from choice. You have to choose the right things, or else the choice will be made for you, and then the system takes over and wins.
Just like with Occhi's dad. He had chances to stray as Occhi said, but didn't. For whatever reason.
People turn to crime and such out of desperation because they lack the moral convictions to stick with long term plans to remove themselves from poverty.
All alone, or in twos,
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands.
The bleeding hearts and artists
Make their stand.
And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
"Isn't this where...."
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands.
The bleeding hearts and artists
Make their stand.
And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
"Isn't this where...."