Lethal Injection Under Fire Again

[Drasca]

Cheap?  Why, because it's true?  What assumption?  Your response makes no sensei

Chaerophon, you're wrong, it isn't true for everyone. You assume you're right so much, you can't see any other possibility.

You assume it is true that I'd cry foul for a 'perfect' justice system (none exists, all are subjective) if my family member was sent to death row. For one, they might actually BE guilty. There's no absolute assurance. If there was such an alibi, they wouldn't be on death row. Beyond insane loyalty and faith, if an immediate family member went through fight after fight, and several court appeals given a set of evidence, both exhausts a person and question whether the person is guilty. Secondly, while I'll protest, and protest loudly, I'm no idiot, and neither is the system. There's enough room to go either way, and to get the death penalty takes an extremely high crime with a lot of evidence. I would wonder if the family is really guilty, and if he's not, I've done everything I can, and I will not cry over blood spilled in dubious circumstances.

4 men. Harumph. Those are really good odds, and they only get better for the innocent with better technology. The guilty may actually deserve it, family or not.

France, Canada, Germany, the UK, all of the Scandinavian countries, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Japan (to name a few) have per capita murder rates less than 1/2 of that in the U.S.

Apples to pine forests. Those are all relatively tiny countries compared to the US. Even canada, given that most of canada's landmass is just... wilderness.

These are links from the World Bank - folks who, in my experience, are not typically thought of as "bleeding hearts

You'll find that that not everyone is a supporter of the world bank. Some of us criticize it, to the point that it is a bane on our existence. Certainly there's doubt towards the world bank's motives. I don't disbelieve the Bank finds itself a benefactor to the poor and poverty stricken, and that it is in the world bank's own self interest to support findings that its actions, supposedly to loan money to improve an economic situation, would supposedly alleviate crime.

You'll also find that there are millions of poor homeless people that aren't murdering each other.

Crime is an equal opportunity event.

Let's see.. browsing your titles, I see Paris... not comprable to US concerns. Latin and south americas, those areas have a lot more problems and lawlessness than just poverty leading to criminal behaviour. Russia... beyond my ability to judge.

homicide rates will vary as a function of local life expectancy.

All sound and fury that indicates nothing. They have mathematic relation backwards. Life expectancy varies as a function of homicide... why? Because homicide kills. When people die, life expectancy lowers, not the other way around. These guys would've flunked my algebra classes.

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Occhi's point of correlation is not causation is the real matter.